The article kind of amplified my regrets/anxiety for not getting a copy of books3 and the likes while it was easy. I didn't have an immediate use case, and I don't now, thought I'd wait until actually need it, but it feels like a window is closing here.
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#52I imagine the argument might be like this: I hire a session musician to play on my new single, paying him $100. I record the whole session. I ask him to play the opening to "Stairway to Heaven" and he does so. "Well, I can't use that as a sample without paying" "Ok play something like Jimmy Page" "Hmm, still sounds like Stairway to Heaven" "Ok, try and sound less like Stairway to Heaven but in that style" "Great, I'l…
But it's not like that. Examples of clearly infringing prompts in TFA were as vague as "animated plumber". Asking your session musician for something "melancholy" and having them pass off Stairway to Heaven as original would be unreasonable.
I don’t know any other animated plumbers than Mario. So when you say animated plumber, I immediately see Mario in my head.
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#53Please ban all these AI companies, at this point I have enough OSS models, don’t really need any hosted service anymore.
IMO would be best if this stays a highly illegal technology that is only available to a few weirdo nerds /s
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#54I think there is another way to solve this. Someone should train an LLM on copyrighted images. Then use that as a second pass on any image generated by the primary LLM to check if it might contain copyrighted images, and blur the copyrighted parts(or change them sufficiently).
Another change could be to the license agreement of LLMs - they could have the user assume liability for any material produced instead of the provider assuming liability. The user would agree that getting the rights for any copies and distribution of copyrighted materials is their sole responsibility instead of the provider.
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#55To me that’s the wrong question.
Everyone knew it was trained on copyrighted material and capable of eerily similar outputs.
But it’s already done. At scale. Large corps committing fully. There is no chance of that toothpaste going back in the tube.
It’s a bit like when big tech built on aggressive user data harvesting. Whether it’s right, ethical or even legal is academic at this stage. They just did it - effectively without any real informed consent by society. Same thing here - 9 out of 10 people on street won’t be able to tell you how AI is made let alone comment on copyright.
So the right question here is what now. And I suspect much like tracking the answer will be - not much.
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#56people are so naive. AI is a matter of national security now. its over. they exposed civilians to nuclear radiation for the nuclear bomb. and you think the state would let this get in the way of the AI arms race which they are anxiously anticipating? nope
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#57Or... things are about to get worse for copyright holders. I don't see any developped country pressing the brake on AGI in the near future to protect a few copyright holders from getting "stolen" in hypothetic scenarios.
I can easily see it happening. "Content" is at least as big business as "tech", and the people in it are politically better connected.
Developing AGI is a matter of national security. "Content" isn't.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can easily see it happening. "Content" is at least as big business as "tech", and the people in it are politically better connected.
Apple could buy most of the NYT, RIAA and MPAA companies combined with petty cash. The big ones are Disney and Sony with a combined market cap about 250b. Microsoft alone is worth over 10 times that.
Then they should. The first transaction will appropriately value content and then WaPo, WSJ and others will see their values to up.
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#59Just like we have the uncanny valley for robots, LLMs are in the unoriginality valley. Only when we get out of it will the copyright issues go away.
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#60How is this different to Googling “robot cop” or “video game plumber” and being served copyrighted material?
Is it because Google will link to the image source? Or does the infringement begin when I use the image for gain, or claim it as my own? Perhaps it is because Google was allowed to crawl the page with the original image, so presenting them with a link is fine?