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Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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BS patents are bad, and patents lasting 20+ years are bad, but if someone's gonna get maimed by them… I can hardly think of a more deserving victim than Apple.

Not to say Apple is good but there are definitely worse actors out there. Qualcomm comes to mind.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

#52

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Google’s executives would very much like to operate in China, only they faced public pressure (the term to search for is “project dragonfly”). I won’t be surprised if they’ll retry to enter China soon.

Public pressure vs $1tn. Hmm.

Right now, part of that pressuring public also includes elected representatives in positions of some power over Google, which is quite the stick.

Of course, such elected are replaced every few years.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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When has Apple ever sued over patent infringement? There was the Samsung case [1] but that was a design issue. Apple, Google, Meta and other big tech companies have used patents defensively not offensively . That is, as mutually-assured destruction. The real villains in this story are the patent holding companies that sue in East Texas to get in front of one judge that, at a time, heard a quarter of all US patent cas…

> When has Apple ever sued over patent infringement? Apple vs. HTC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigation_involving_Apple_Inc... Normally, the threat implied by a patent moat is sufficient, so it doesn’t come to a lawsuit.

It was exquisite to see Apple complain for several generations that everyone was copying them, then turn around and pretty much clone the HTC M7.

Then they had the gall to sue HTC. Glad the judge ended up forcing their hand, a rare case where might didn’t make right.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Absolutely no sympathy. Those who live by the patent shall die by the patent.

I’m holding judgement until the case is investigated further. It’s my understanding that so far everyone has basically said, “there’s enough evidence to proceed in court.” Patent reform is something that is sorely needed (and more funding for the USPTO). Take for example this patent on an anti gravity device: https://www.nature.com/articles/438139a#:~:text=The%20US%20p... . And then there’s the patent troll problem.…

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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post #9

BS patents are bad, and patents lasting 20+ years are bad, but if someone's gonna get maimed by them… I can hardly think of a more deserving victim than Apple.

Are you intimating Apple has been litigious with patents? Or just saying you have no sympathy for companies with lots of money? (This isn't a leading question, I have no informed opinion about Apple specifically.)

> Are you intimating Apple has been litigious with patents? Or just saying you have no sympathy for companies with lots of money?

This is a false dichotomy. Apple can be evil, and deserve to have bad things happen to it, without performing its evil through the medium of patent lawsuits.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google’s executives would very much like to operate in China, only they faced public pressure (the term to search for is “project dragonfly”). I won’t be surprised if they’ll retry to enter China soon.

They faced internal pressure from employees as I remember it. They shutdown their Chinese sites after the PLA was caught hacking Gmail accounts in Hong Kong, but this was when Paige and Sergey were more involved (being from formerly authoritarian communist countries).

You didn’t bother to search, so let me paste the relevant content for you here:

> The Dragonfly project was an Internet search engine prototype created by Google that was designed to be compatible with China's state censorship provisions.

> The public learned of Dragonfly's existence in August 2018, when The Intercept leaked an internal memo written by a Google employee about the project.

> […]

> However, according to employees, work on Dragonfly was still continuing as of March 2019, with some 100 people still allocated to it.

> In July 2019, Google announced that work on Dragonfly had been terminated.

(From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine), literally the first Google search result on that keyword)

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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post #55

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I’m holding judgement until the case is investigated further. It’s my understanding that so far everyone has basically said, “there’s enough evidence to proceed in court.” Patent reform is something that is sorely needed (and more funding for the USPTO). Take for example this patent on an anti gravity device: https://www.nature.com/articles/438139a#:~:text=The%20US%20p... . And then there’s the patent troll problem.…

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My point was that anti-gravity clearly isn’t possible yet, but a patent was granted.

By that logic, I could generate an AI application to patent all possible things. IMO something is wrong if this is allowed. It presents needless legal hurtles to people actually trying to innovate and produce tangible things.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

#59

Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

Your best bet would be to follow the court filings and look for the words "unwilling licensor" and "unwilling licensee".

Though I suspect this is more on Apple. Going to be blunt for a bit, but Apple has a habit of assuming only it produces innovation worth paying for. Apple usually doesn't wind up actually taking the import ban in the end, but there's a whole host of patent litigation that has targeted Apple. It's kind of funny, though - I remember the days where Steve Jobs insisted that them owning a swipe-to-unlock patent meant basically any phone with a touchscreen and a not-ass operating system was infringing them. "Zero-length swipe" my ass.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

#60

Absolutely no sympathy. Those who live by the patent shall die by the patent.

What’s the alternative? Not play the patent game and die by the patent anyway?

>> What’s the alternative?

Don't play the game of building products that are subject to other people's patents. If in doubt, buy them out. Pay for the international rights regardless of whether you think a patent invalid in some market. Apple isn't exactly struggling for cash at the moment. It can afford to pay for the patent rather than stage what is starting to look like a PR event.

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