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Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

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Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

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And? They have a right to do so. In particular, they have a right to defederate any server for any reasons - which includes mine, yours, or this other person's, with or without asking things like "block X or I'll block you".

Isn't that a bit like saying a gold prospector has a right to shoot anybody in the whole Wild West, all because he can?

Equating murder, even attempted, with defederation - this is a fallacy.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#52

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Isn't that a bit like saying a gold prospector has a right to shoot anybody in the whole Wild West, all because he can?

Equating murder, even attempted, with defederation - this is a fallacy.

The only way for the analogy to hold no water at all would be for bans and deceleration to not harm anyone; that's not true in many cases.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#53
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Again it doesn't really matter because it's just the way it works, but it's also a feature for server admins. Imagine being harassed by someone, or imagine that person harassing your users, blah blah blah. Is there some hypothetical where this feature is abused in a super petty way? Sure. Welcome to all features in all software.

Let's take a gun as an example. You could use it to shoot a bad guy, but there are a lot of times where the person who got shot was a good guy, and a lot of other times it's by accident. The same goes for moderation - you can justify handing out the power to cut off connections between entire communities to random people by thinking of the ways it could be used for good but it doesn't get you out of dealing with the…

You could say the exact same thing if federation could be forced. You can make whatever facile analogy you want; my point has always been there's bad scenarios no matter what.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#54

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Equating murder, even attempted, with defederation - this is a fallacy.

The only way for the analogy to hold no water at all would be for bans and deceleration to not harm anyone; that's not true in many cases.

I think that a better analogy would be: if someone shows up at your doorstep, you are free to not let them in.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#55
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In case the author doesn't know or willfully didn't post the reason Spinster is banned both on Threads and Mastadon; the server is a safe haven for TERFs who co-opt feminism as the cover for open seething transphobia disguised as criticism when communicating to a wider audience. Credit where it's due they're much smarter than your typical bigots and know how to hide it better to avoid bans. The fact that the OP is ou…

Thanks for this, and the other people responding with the TERF info.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#56
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It's an odd omission that the "feminist server" mentioned is actually a gathering place for TERFs, after they were banned from places like Reddit. If your community is problematic enough to be kicked off of Reddit , I can imagine your users/content may not be desirable to Meta/Threads' brand, either.

Meh tbh reddit bans everyone now, it's not the place it once was where if you're banned on reddit you have to be particularly bad. People have been banned for liking a president, it's not like that's some fringe ideology. Banning feminists for thinking feminism is for females is pretty heavy handed.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#57

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> First, unless users spend a lot of time talking about servers, they won't know where to leave to. You can literally see everyone's instance right next to their name on most Fediverse clients - I'm Michał "phoe" Herda, but also @phoe@functional.cafe, which already gives people one more possibility to choose from as long as they see my posts pop up. Then, there's some independent instance browsers, and, finally, you…

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said finding a server with rational administration is not cheap. The competition - for those who can tolerate one-liner Twitter culture - is free.

> finding a server with rational administration is not cheap

Sure it is: choose the server everyone else chose. We know exactly how all this stuff works out because we already hashed it out with email. Everyone will just use the equivalent of Gmail and you'll have to do what they say or they won't deliver your emails/posts.

Nilay Patel was right when he said the essential product of social media is content moderation (or a spam filter, whatever you want to call it). Some service will come along and say "we filter out 100% of the stuff 80% of you don't want" and that'll be that. Services/protocols that don't facilitate that will be replaced by those that do. Maybe it's hard to see now, but we're in the "overthrow our tyrannical overlords" phase of the internet cycle. Next up is "please someone make this safe/usable for mere mortals". Centralization etc. is a red herring.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

#58
post #17

In case the author doesn't know or willfully didn't post the reason Spinster is banned both on Threads and Mastadon; the server is a safe haven for TERFs who co-opt feminism as the cover for open seething transphobia disguised as criticism when communicating to a wider audience. Credit where it's due they're much smarter than your typical bigots and know how to hide it better to avoid bans. The fact that the OP is ou…

They don't "co-opt feminism", they are feminists - the radical kind. Which is essentially about about recognising and removing male dominance over women, in all contexts.

Re: Threads is blocking servers on the Fediverse. Here's how we unblocked ourselves.

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It's an odd omission that the "feminist server" mentioned is actually a gathering place for TERFs, after they were banned from places like Reddit. If your community is problematic enough to be kicked off of Reddit , I can imagine your users/content may not be desirable to Meta/Threads' brand, either.

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