My boyfriend woke up one day to find out they couldn't pee. After a few ER visits and an MRI, they determined he had Stage 2 bladder cancer. However, because they had the audacity to seek immediate medical treatment for a life threatening health issue, they have now been saddled with thousands of dollars in medical debt. I had to personally dip into my earnings from my Big Tech internship to help pay some of it off.…
Why with single payer would there not still be instances of treatment being denied? >rather than deal with faceless automata at health insurance companies Would this not be replaced with faceless automata in government? Just look at how the VA is run and complains about it. Looking at that I have exactly zero confidence in the government being able to run things better than the shit show at the insurance companies. B…
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#52> at least seven experts spent roughly ten full-time days trying to find out a basic fact about my mother’s insurance, and finally failed. Meanwhile, many thousands of dollars were wasted on unnecessary hospitalization.
The money wasn't wasted -- the broken communication and intricate rule sets delay things for as long as possible, meanwhile the patient is charged, and someone is making a profit.
> On day six, I said “if she doesn’t go to a SNF today, I’m taking her home—the risk of her dying there seems less now than the risk of her dying here.” That got results: the other SNF agreed to take her “on spec.”
And here it is: when there was a credible threat that the money would stop flowing, the system acquiesced, insurmountable bureaucratic problems lifted.
> Are the confused rules Anthem’s fault? I imagine that the 1600 pages try to reconcile federal, state, and local legislation, plus the rules of three federal regulatory agencies, nine state agencies, and fifteen local agencies. All those are vague and conflicting and constantly changing, but Anthem’s rule-writing department does their best.
Here lies an opportunity to rip the spine out of the entire scam. Steal the rule books, leverage a LLM with RAG or other information retrieval architecture, and get answers in minutes, not days. Offer this as a service to (relatively) seamlessly slice through the obscure-by-design bureaucracies -- only of course to be hindered by the entrenched players and the politicians they have lobbied, who will fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo.
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#53oh lord. the finance industry does not even have a standardized way to transmit prices of securities. there is an enormous amount of inefficiency in the most basic behind the scenes systems..
My only real hope is the generation born after 2010, who all grow up playing video games where you get universal basic income and free healthcare laying around on the street in crates and boxes. And those things both actually work, they are not bug ridden half-finished projects that constantly crash and break. They will hopefully try to implement these things once they gain power.
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#54My boyfriend woke up one day to find out they couldn't pee. After a few ER visits and an MRI, they determined he had Stage 2 bladder cancer. However, because they had the audacity to seek immediate medical treatment for a life threatening health issue, they have now been saddled with thousands of dollars in medical debt. I had to personally dip into my earnings from my Big Tech internship to help pay some of it off.…
Why with single payer would there not still be instances of treatment being denied? >rather than deal with faceless automata at health insurance companies Would this not be replaced with faceless automata in government? Just look at how the VA is run and complains about it. Looking at that I have exactly zero confidence in the government being able to run things better than the shit show at the insurance companies. B…
The most common failure mode for single-payer is scarcity. You won't be denied, but you'll have to wait many months for an appointment.
> Would this not be replaced with faceless automata in government?
They are controlled by politicians, who are directly responsible to their electorate. Brexit is a good example, using money sent to EU for NHS was one of the more influential ads. Of course, the outcome turned out to be... different.
With the current insurance system, you don't have ANY levers. You can't usually change your insurance company because it's provided by your employer. And even if you want to buy medical insurance yourself via the ACA, you can switch it only once a year. With no way to tell in advance if your new company is going to cover your treatment.
You also can't even sue your insurance company if it denies you the treatment because _all_ insurance companies require binding arbitration. And arbitrators basically always side with the insurance company, because your contract says that the insurance company is always right. That's how UnitedHealthcare can get away with just randomly denying treatment.
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#55I can relate to this experience, having been through it with multiple parents/in-laws. One thing I’ve learned: We are fortunate to be in a city large enough to support a large hospital (actually more than one) with many associated specialists and clinics. If you can stay inside one of these, where people are looking at the same records system and have personal contacts in the various clinics and services, things go s…
This has been my experience as well. My wife has end-stage kidney disease, and we have found that the system works (for us!) when we stay within our hospital system. We don't travel much, we keep to within a certain radius of the hospital we trust, and we make sure any new specialists are inside or at least connected to the same (Epic) system. That has solved the "no interface" issue and the issues described in the "…
I don't mean to suggest that "I'm a dum dum" is a bad approach - in fact I think it's great for getting past any cynical defenses that have built up.
But I'll never forget taking my son to the ER and getting to have an actual conversation with a doc. When he was a toddler he would get nasty respiratory infections that had escalated to hospitalizations in the past. When I took him in, he was in reasonably good shape, and initially the doctor just wanted to send us home. But I described his history and said something like "every time he has one of these, we wind up taking him back into the ER at night, where they invariably give him a steroid that clears him right up. Could you just prescribe it to him now, and we'll only use it if it becomes necessary?"
The doc got this big smile and was more than happy to oblige. My guess is that she didn't want to prescribe a steroid for no reason (because they really shouldn't be taken willy nilly), but as soon as I showed her I was, you know, thoughtful and responsible, she was practically falling over herself to help me.
Docs don't want you having to bring your kids to the ER at midnight any more than you do. And for the most part they're in the field for good reasons (especially pediatrics, because you'd have to be insane to do it for the wrong reasons).
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#56My boyfriend woke up one day to find out they couldn't pee. After a few ER visits and an MRI, they determined he had Stage 2 bladder cancer. However, because they had the audacity to seek immediate medical treatment for a life threatening health issue, they have now been saddled with thousands of dollars in medical debt. I had to personally dip into my earnings from my Big Tech internship to help pay some of it off.…
Why with single payer would there not still be instances of treatment being denied? >rather than deal with faceless automata at health insurance companies Would this not be replaced with faceless automata in government? Just look at how the VA is run and complains about it. Looking at that I have exactly zero confidence in the government being able to run things better than the shit show at the insurance companies. B…
The VA system has on average delivers better outcomes than private insurance: https://www.rand.org/news/press/2018/04/26.html
It's the usual "review effect", you only see negatives about the VA, not positives.
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#57My boyfriend woke up one day to find out they couldn't pee. After a few ER visits and an MRI, they determined he had Stage 2 bladder cancer. However, because they had the audacity to seek immediate medical treatment for a life threatening health issue, they have now been saddled with thousands of dollars in medical debt. I had to personally dip into my earnings from my Big Tech internship to help pay some of it off.…
Why with single payer would there not still be instances of treatment being denied? >rather than deal with faceless automata at health insurance companies Would this not be replaced with faceless automata in government? Just look at how the VA is run and complains about it. Looking at that I have exactly zero confidence in the government being able to run things better than the shit show at the insurance companies. B…
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#58After thinking about this a long time, and doing a lot of reading on the subject, here is my solution to American healthcare and perhaps in other countries with collapsing healthcare like the UK and Canada: Most medical interventions, even ones that are serious like hip replacements, can be scheduled. It’s annoying while you are waiting, but it’s the rare case where emergency medical attention must be applied immedia…
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#60I recently heard that hospitals still benefit from people who don't pay off their medical debt. They sell it for fraction of the amount and use the loss to offset earnings to dodge taxes. Prices of their services are inflated for this purpose (among others). It's better to have triple price, have insurer pay third of it and sell the debt of remaining two thirds as half-price. This way you get all the income and zero…
I'm sorry but this sounds like someone invoking "they'll write it off" without knowing how write offs work. In that scenario your revenue will be 2/3rds of the list price. Taxes payable is dependent on your profit, not your revenue. Profit is revenue minus costs. Inflating the list price doesn't change anything in this equation, and thus won't affect your taxes payable.