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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by imglorp »

jvanderbot wrote: post #42
kreddor wrote: post #8

> Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. That's quite a feat. > Rockstar Games alone told the court that the hack cost it $5m to recover from plus thousands of hours of staff time. Either the kid is a genius or Rockstar really don't value their security much. Or maybe a bit of both?

From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

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Post by hackerlight »

Nextgrid wrote: post #15

Life in prison for non-violent crime clearly sounds like revenge and sour grapes. The big guys clearly don't appreciate having their insecurity being exposed this way (keep in mind none of these hacks required any significant technical skills), and too many people would lose face. Something had to be done, so here it is. The disparity of this punishment compared to what is usually given out for similar crimes (in the…

I don't see violent crimes as necessarily the worst. Crimes that steal from large numbers of people are arguably worse than many types of violent crime due to the sheer magnitude of lives that got destroyed. If you destroy 10,000 regular lives through fraud you deserve the worst punishment in line with murderers. Although this guy's long sentence isn't only because of what he stole from Rockstar, my commentary is not only about him, it's more of a broader point.

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Post by ipaddr »

neilkk wrote: post #34
Nextgrid wrote: post #15

Life in prison for non-violent crime clearly sounds like revenge and sour grapes. The big guys clearly don't appreciate having their insecurity being exposed this way (keep in mind none of these hacks required any significant technical skills), and too many people would lose face. Something had to be done, so here it is. The disparity of this punishment compared to what is usually given out for similar crimes (in the…

I don't think this is fair. Another underage person found guilty of the same hacks got an 18-month rehabilitation order. This basically means severe restrictions on going out and computer use together with involvement and monitoring by social workers. This seems perfectly appropriate. They're not having decades of their life taken away from them, and they're not locked up with hardened criminals who would either vict…

In what world do you live in where getting too many parking tickets and causing violence gets you life in prison until an unknown paid state employee decides you took all non-necessary meds and drank the kool-aid? If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. The judge should have to suffer the same fate before he can order this.

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Post by squarefoot »

jvanderbot wrote: post #42
kreddor wrote: post #8

> Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. That's quite a feat. > Rockstar Games alone told the court that the hack cost it $5m to recover from plus thousands of hours of staff time. Either the kid is a genius or Rockstar really don't value their security much. Or maybe a bit of both?

From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

And has no empathy, which makes him a lot more dangerous.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by dbeardsl »

I would say he's not in trouble for gaining access to systems, it's for extortion:

> He worked with Kurtaj and other members of Lapsus$ to hack tech giant Nvidia and phone company BT/EE and steal data before demanding a four million dollar ransom, which was not paid.

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Post by subtra3t »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #49

There is an expectation here that this person will react to being arrested and imprisoned with patience ; yet patience is not expected from literally anyone else involved . It's abundantly clear that he is not being punished for harming people . He is being punished for not playing along . "Refusing to play along" is one of the most well known symptoms of Autism. This person is being punished for neurodivergence. I'm…

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

gnfargbl wrote: post #13
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #6

> The jury was told that while he was on bail for hacking Nvidia and BT/EE and in police protection at a Travelodge hotel, he continued hacking and carried out his most infamous hack. >Despite having his laptop confiscated, Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. This sounds too fantastical to be true. This guy is obviously brilliant, disa…

> This sounds too fantastical to be true. Use Firestick as RDP/VNC client, use mobile phone for internet, obtain keyboard from Amazon Shopping, remote into a VM, proceed as usual?

Like sure, it is technically possible he runs termux, has all of his hacking tools available, and is amazingly good with an onscreen keyboard.

That being said, if this were an episode of CSI, I would be rolling my eyes.

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Post by theultdev »

keep_reading wrote: post #26
Der_Einzige wrote: post #4

Stuff like this is why I’m glad Ken Kessey’s “one flew over the cuckoos nest” become popular and helped remove government mental hospitals from being a serious consideration in the USA. This kid needs to be cultivated, not institutionalized. (Edit: never mind, seems he IS a menace to society)

You see all those homeless people? The tent cities? That's because they have nowhere to go anymore. A ton of those people are mentally ill. Yes, those mental hospitals were terribly run. But we need to create a safe place for these people. We can't just give up because of mistakes made in the past. https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/06/health-beat-bring-back-the...

all those homeless is incredibly generalizing, there's many reasons to be homeless. but the top ones are drugs and mental illness.

many are drug addicted, they would have somewhere to go but they opted out of society (well, they aren't in the forest so not full opt-out)

but yes a combination of state run rehab / mental hospitals seems to be the only solution, but is it done by force?

if it's not forced you'll have a hell of a time getting people to go. if it is, you are now rounding up potentially unwilling people and shipping them to a facility.

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Post by sandworm101 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #30

Did anyone here read TFA? He was apparently shown to be a member of a cyber "gang", and expressed zero remorse. In this case, a judge basically has to do something. > A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." The guy was already on bail for another hack: > The jury was told that while…

>> If he can even lie convincingly, he'll be out tomorrow.

Give the mental health pros a little credit. Getting out of a psych ward isn't as simple as saying you aren't going to do it again.

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