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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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It seems worth looking into what section of the population (either in terms of age or marital status or number of children or education or salary or whatnot) is moving out of NYC. For example, NYC still ranks at the top of where college graduates apply to [0].

[0] https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/where-are-college-s...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

And new york decides the best way to solve this problem is to irrationally ban short term rentals rather than just building more housing

Where would the new housing go? They should focus on building fast train links into the city.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids.

The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

> It’s still great. I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate. From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli. Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet som…

Cities are for the very rich and single people as far as I can tell. My guess is they are in those buckets. If not then they are the type of person that craves culture and finds anything outside of NYC culturally wanting. Part of it is also media indoctrination their whole life saying NYC is the center of the universe, and they feel a thrill being even a small part of that.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Does anybody have the stats for the metro area rather than just the city?

The census does and it's accessible https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDP1Y2022.DP05?q=population If you click the drop down where it says "DP05: ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates" you can select which year's estimate you want to use (or use the Decennial Census). If you want a specific geographical area, click Geos. Then you can get data at whatever level you'd like.

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

> It’s still great. I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate. From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli. Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet som…

You are not missing anything. It would have been great if it was cheap (as in dirt cheap) then young people could use the city as a recreation/career building center before moving to something else. Or at least that's what the city was and some cities today are.

Today, it's mostly a playground for the very rich to park their money in cement because they cannot make up their mind about trusting the government.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

1. Most people rent not buy in NYC. There are plenty of rentals. 2. I’m in the market to buy, and I’ve been able to make bids below asking so I’m not sure demand is as high as you’d suggest.

depends on the neighborhood. i suspect low bids are not possible in the west village or Williamsburg

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

Given that the population declined, without much evidence of housing being destroyed en-mass, it seems the problem is actually that people weren't coupling up during COVID – presumably because dating is hard during pandemic lockdowns and distancing measures – leaving more single people trying to find their own places. Those singles finding out there there is no longer enough housing for them is just a side effect.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

> It’s still great. I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate. From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli. Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet som…

I haven't lived in manhattan ever, but I used to spend weeks there in 2014 for work (also in DC), and I've lived in London for a few months and now SF for years.

Cities generally have more variety of types of food (Burmese, Indian, Thai, Chinese, Italian, Jewish, etc.) that can be hard to find in the midwest (I grew up in the rural-ish suburbs outside of Buffalo - maybe not technically midwest, but close enough).

You have a lot of things close to you, you can walk out of your apartment and have a ton of options right here, in NYC you can subway anywhere else easily. The density makes things feel more like a community vs. houses spread apart where everything is by cars and strip malls.

In NYC you can go to the comedy cellar on macdougal street one night and Chris Rock or Louie CK might drop in unannounced to practice material (happened to me twice and I didn't go that many times).

If you live in a major city lots of friends pass through for one reason or another and you can meet up with them (this literally never happened in the suburbs of Buffalo).

There are also often more events and variety of people which can make things more interesting. It's also a lot different visiting vs. having your own place there for an extended time. Visiting is often more stressful because you don't have an easy place to retreat to.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

Detroit?
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