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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by wongarsu »

lukev wrote: post #39

Why would Apple take their devices off the market or disable the feature instead of parting with a minuscule fraction of the pile of gold they're sitting on for a patent license? I mean obviously for now it makes more sense for them to wait and hope they win on appeal or get the import ban veto'd, but if it actually comes down to not being able to sell the device, surely the lost revenue would exceed the licensing co…

In the short term the impending scarcity will be a great boon for sales, in what's probably their busiest month. In the medium term they can appeal the ruling and hope for help from POTUS. If that doesn't pan out they can still make a deal; probably to more favorable conditions since then they showed that they are willing to walk away from any one-sided license deal.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by gunapologist99 »

mikestew wrote: post #44

If Biden sides with Masimo and Apple’s appeals are unsuccessful, it may have to modify the Watch’s software to remove the blood oxygen feature in order to resume sales. Not that I use the feature all that often, but if I did, I guess it would be time to turn off automatic updates until it gets sorted. TFA is extremely light on details, given that Apple is effectively ordering a stop-ship on their hardware. Was there…

> their pockets aren't infinitely deep

Interesting take

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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lukev wrote: post #39

Why would Apple take their devices off the market or disable the feature instead of parting with a minuscule fraction of the pile of gold they're sitting on for a patent license? I mean obviously for now it makes more sense for them to wait and hope they win on appeal or get the import ban veto'd, but if it actually comes down to not being able to sell the device, surely the lost revenue would exceed the licensing co…

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by rvnx »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #54
mikestew wrote: post #44

If Biden sides with Masimo and Apple’s appeals are unsuccessful, it may have to modify the Watch’s software to remove the blood oxygen feature in order to resume sales. Not that I use the feature all that often, but if I did, I guess it would be time to turn off automatic updates until it gets sorted. TFA is extremely light on details, given that Apple is effectively ordering a stop-ship on their hardware. Was there…

> their pockets aren't infinitely deep Interesting take

Is there any way to implement a portable oximeter without infringing on any patents ?

Furthermore, is there any way to do anything without infringing on any patent ?

The patent system is really outdated, it's good for lazy people who want to live off royalties, but for end-customers and innovation, this is really bad.

(and it does a bad job at preventing foreign companies to launch clones)

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by master_crab »

neilv wrote: post #38

This seems to be great marketing. https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/18/apple-halting-apple-watch-ser... > In a statement to 9to5Mac, Apple has announced that it will soon halt sales of its flagship Apple Watch models in the United States. > The Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 will no longer be available to purchase from Apple starting later this week. And https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/tech/apple-halt-sales-ap…

This was my thought exactly.

“Oh it’s a shame we have to shut sales off. But don’t worry, it’ll still be available until we can’t guarantee before-Christmas shipping.”

They’ll have a solution worked out by the beginning of Jan.

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Post by skinkestek »

kstrauser wrote: post #28
llm_nerd wrote: post #2

Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…

Alternatively, someone at Apple thought "we should add one of those pulse ox thingies like they've used in the doctor's office for the last 50 years into our next watch", saw that Masimo was a player in the space, met with them, and then decided they'd rather do it themselves. This is not something Masimo invented themselves. The class of devices existed for decades before Masimo even existed. I'm not saying that App…

I am not saying this is right.

But I think it is something poetic about a company that sues and wins over Samsung for a "design patent" and uses the fact that Samsungs lawyers cannot see the difference as proof...

when that company gets hit by a ridiculous "intellectual property" lawsuit.

Said as an Apple user who has brought in a number of new Apple users, meaning I am not against Apple only against ridiculous "intellectual property" laws.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by TheSoftwareGuy »

speedylight wrote: post #55

Since Masimo is a publicly traded company, can’t Apple just buy enough shares to have a controlling interest in the company and just force them to back out?

Hostile takeovers aren't usually that fast, but yes apple can probably afford to buy the company, one way or another
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