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Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Sure, there is some uncertainty. But in reality, we have a pretty complete model of physics, chemistry, geology and biology. Generally, the predictions we made 10 or 20 years ago match with what we're seeing. So of course "science does not deal in certainties" but most of the questions are really at the second or third decimal point. There is an excellent video by David Louapre (of Science Etonnante fame) that explai…

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Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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I wonder how Much of it is global warming vs other effects! Would be nice to see a even longer historical overlay of the changes. Or even have the values corrected for anomalies that are not an effect of human involvement.

You have been downvoted, but it is a good question. Hopefully it was asked in good faith ;) Since around the 1970s, the North Sea became a few degrees warmer. Fisherman more regularly find fish and other creatures that used to be only down in France or even more south. As far as I know, we don't really know what caused this trend of the gulf stream going more up north. For all we know, it might switch back and we get…

> Hopefully it was asked in good faith ;)

In what way could this question be asked in bad faith?

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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post #46
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, there is some uncertainty. But in reality, we have a pretty complete model of physics, chemistry, geology and biology. Generally, the predictions we made 10 or 20 years ago match with what we're seeing. So of course "science does not deal in certainties" but most of the questions are really at the second or third decimal point. There is an excellent video by David Louapre (of Science Etonnante fame) that explai…

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Your opinion is unpopular but the most reasonable.

Scientists are not philanthropists and always need justifications for their funding

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Something I've been working on this weekend: visualising climate change in the Netherlands. https://koenvangilst.nl/blog/rising-temperatures I particularly liked the heatmap with monthly temperature data since the 1900s. It's a lot of scrolling, but you can clearly see that climate is accelerating since the '90s.

I like this format for displaying these temporal changes. I have rainfall data for my location that I have tracked for more than 20 years and it currently lives in an Excel spreadsheet. I have a few graphs but these annual difference and monthly deviations from normal will enhance what I already show. I like the format.

I am merging my rainfall data with ENSO data about El Nino and La Nina years to look for patterns in local rainfall during those periods. We are currently in an El Nino and it is predicted to be strong. If it doesn't rain again before the end of the year this will be the second driest year in more than 20 since I began recording rainfall and I am currently >13 inches (>330 mm) under normal for this date. We finished last year in a similar condition, 12.6" (320 mm) under normal. Based on our long-term (10-day) forecast I expect this to be the third or fourth driest year since I began measuring. North Texas, west of Fort Worth.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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I wonder how Much of it is global warming vs other effects! Would be nice to see a even longer historical overlay of the changes. Or even have the values corrected for anomalies that are not an effect of human involvement.

You have been downvoted, but it is a good question. Hopefully it was asked in good faith ;) Since around the 1970s, the North Sea became a few degrees warmer. Fisherman more regularly find fish and other creatures that used to be only down in France or even more south. As far as I know, we don't really know what caused this trend of the gulf stream going more up north. For all we know, it might switch back and we get…

> Now we find out that same gulf stream is slowing down.

From what I've read so far, we could get a nordic ice-age, because we're so dependent on that hot water and air.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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You have been downvoted, but it is a good question. Hopefully it was asked in good faith ;) Since around the 1970s, the North Sea became a few degrees warmer. Fisherman more regularly find fish and other creatures that used to be only down in France or even more south. As far as I know, we don't really know what caused this trend of the gulf stream going more up north. For all we know, it might switch back and we get…

> Hopefully it was asked in good faith ;) In what way could this question be asked in bad faith?

There do exist people (even on the internet) who ask similar questions about climate change, who prefer to attribute it to all kind of other causes, and deviate or deny that human activities create climate change. I do know that wasn't part of the question, so I can only guess and hope.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Your first two "questions" have been answered, IIRC. A bit of duckduckgoing will e.g. lead you to https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-r... . Same for solar cycles. The data is not perfect, but unfortunately, there's no escape from the conclusion: we have to act, and we've already missed targets.

Look at that chart, we changed the way we measure temperature in the 1960's with the introduction of digital thermometers. Prior to that we utilized mercury or worse alcohol. The chart itself raises the question(s) I just highlighted. Further, prior to WWII there was not "global monitoring" of temperature; let's highlight this comment: > Remarkably, despite the differences in methodologies used by these independent r…

> If something reads 98.2 one year and the prior reading is 97.3 we have a 0.9 increase in temperature, but in reality it could be the margin of error based on cloud cover or a change in instrumentation.

That would be true if we had only two measurements. But it can't explain the trend over the last 40 years (neither can the introduction of digital thermometers in the 60s).

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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The Solar Cycle is approximately has a period of ~11 years ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle ). The heating clearly shown in these visualizations does not appear to be related to the solar cycle.

That it has no evident effect is the point I was trying to make. Could I have phrased it better?

(As a random reader, I interpreted your comment as you intended!)
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