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Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by justinclift »

fragmede wrote: post #18
Ekaros wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is good practise. You should never use the unsubscribe function as it tells sender the account receives is actually in use and valid. Thus they will sell your email to even more spammers.

Yeah no. Emails which include an unsubscribe link are legit enough to not do that. Actual spammers don't bother to include an unsubscribe link.

Nope.

If you want to get people to click a link in your malicious booby trapped email, then an "unsubscribe" one is high on the list to include. :)

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by justinclift »

arp242 wrote: post #23
Ekaros wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure that 100% of companies have not sold unsubscribed users information? As if there is even single counter-example you should just automatically mark it spam and then email providers should blacklist the domain.

That hugely draconian. Are you 100% sure you never just signed up for a newsletter and forgot about it? Are you 100% sure your email didn't end up there in some other way? I used to send out some newsletters for my website; just a programming blog thingy. It was just a form with a simple program on the server to collect email addresses. Wrote everything myself; no external service or whatnot involved. I got some pret…

> Are you 100% sure you never just signed up for a newsletter and forgot about it?

For me, I can be pretty sure as I have extensive email archives.

Before claiming I've not signed up for stuff I check them first. :)

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by worksonmine »

justinclift wrote: post #48
mulmen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the unsubscribe link works I still report spam as spam. If it is unsolicited then it is spam, plain and simple.

When someone sends spam perhaps don't click on any "Unsubscribe" type link...? Those links are often spammer controlled and just confirm your email address as valid.

If your e-mail client loads external images it was already confirmed on open without clicking any link.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by glietu »

MS outlook.com also blocks emails from apple.com as spam

What's worse - often times emails sent out from an old hotmail/outlook.com account always end up in recipient's junk/spam folder. They still haven't addressed [this](https://x.com/tvjames/status/1278813439222145024?s=20), it seems, even to this very day.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by justinclift »

worksonmine wrote: post #54
justinclift wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone sends spam perhaps don't click on any "Unsubscribe" type link...? Those links are often spammer controlled and just confirm your email address as valid.

If your e-mail client loads external images it was already confirmed on open without clicking any link.

Ewww, why would anyone have their client configured to do that? That would be truly idiotic.

Personally, my email is text only. It drops all HTML. I prefer it this way. :)

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by polar »

fragmede wrote: post #18
Ekaros wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is good practise. You should never use the unsubscribe function as it tells sender the account receives is actually in use and valid. Thus they will sell your email to even more spammers.

Yeah no. Emails which include an unsubscribe link are legit enough to not do that. Actual spammers don't bother to include an unsubscribe link.

I wish you were right, but that is not the case, sadly. I could give you several examples but here's one: there was a comment on HN a little while ago [1] about a spammer by the name of whitehallmedia. Every single email they send has an unsubscribe link. Clicking it (I used a test email account.) does not have the effect that one might expect.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30405503

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by panki27 »

arp242 wrote: post #28
snitch182 wrote: post #3

My private email server gets completly blocked on regular bases. They are blocking the whole ip-range of my provider. You get no response from them whatsoever. You have to fill out a form und wait a couple of days. You can however sign up for a 200$ whitelist... from a different company owned by guess who.

> They are blocking the whole ip-range of my provider. That's not necessarily unreasonable, depending on which provider that is. Sites like Wikipedia also block entire ranges to prevent spam. Unfortunately sometimes people do get caught up in that (as I did last year).

Even if you get them to create an exception for your IP, personal experience shows that this lasts for 2 months tops, then you're blocked again. I gave up, getting my personal mail server to communicate with Outlook is not worth it.
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