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Re: State of Mozilla

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Mozilla considered harmful. A bizarre money redistribution (and storage?) operation. The only thing people at large really want from it, Firefox, is an underfunded afterthought. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

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Re: State of Mozilla

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Any accountants in the room? It'd be good to get an informed view on the financial statement. In particular, the oft-spoken view that Mozilla is so critically dependent on Google funding that it is, in practice, prevented from doing anything that would displease big G.

You don't need an accountant for that - you can read the financial statement (this one is pretty simple).

From about $593mil revenue in their income statement (page 4), $510mil is derived from _Royalties_.

Later, on page 13, they explain what _Royalties_ consists of, and I quote:

> Royalties - Mozilla provides the Firefox web browser, which is a free and open-source web browser initially developed by Mozilla Foundation and the Corporation. Mozilla incorporates search engines of its customers as a default status or an optional status available in the Firefox web browser. Mozilla generally receives royalties at a certain percentage of revenues earned by its customers through their search engines incorporated in the Firefox web browser.

Now, I leave it to your judgement if you think that a company that derives 86% of its revenue from the above is dependent on Google ;-)

Re: State of Mozilla

#53

I await the usual complaints about Mozilla's side projects as well as the dependence on the search box money from Google. Firefox is never going to be a thing as long as humanity moves from desktops to mobiles where changing the built in browser is very uncommon.

It would help if their mobile browser were actually good. But ever since their rebuild a few years back, one still can only use a very limited number of addons, and there are still some bizarre GUI behaviours that should be easy to fix. Perhaps giving people a reason to install FF Mobile by offering the superior product should be their focus instead of their myriad of doomed side projects.

Re: State of Mozilla

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also laying off rank-and-file worker to save costs.

Also, purge technical CEO for political reasons then replace him with MBA trophy politically correct CEO that takes home four times the pay while laying off engineers.

That was the turning point for Mozilla, after that it started to become involved in activism, including social justice and identity politics.

Re: State of Mozilla

#56

I dont like Brave because of the Crypto stuff. But they have way better communication around this with more simple tweets and posts of what they ACTUALLY do. What is even going on, on this page? So much coroprate speak I feel like I am reading my for-profit company intranet page.

You are right, the site is corporate gibberish.

It links to one important thing, the 2022 financial statement, https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202.... According to a summary I read elsewhere it's actually good news: Almost the same total income while lowering the percentage that comes from google (a bit) and raising the percentage and total amount that comes from their own projects. Lots of money in the bank.

Still paying way too much to management, but I didn't expect any improvement there anyway - is there even one success story out there about moving a project like this back to a real not-for-profit/reasonable governance, without bloated CEO etc salaries?

Re: State of Mozilla

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post #23

Mozilla considered harmful. A bizarre money redistribution (and storage?) operation. The only thing people at large really want from it, Firefox, is an underfunded afterthought. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

I really wish Mozilla would stay out of politics, especially identity politics. And I've seen some pro-censorship advocacy from them in the name of Internet "safety."

I closed my eyes on the ceo story and the politics and continued using it as "the only alternative" to Chrome until I got a pop up on my phone basically suggesting who I should vote for in some American election. I've never even been in that country.

Re: State of Mozilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use FF on desktop and mobile (although FF on mobile crashes on me, sometimes does not refresh etc.- Android)

So do I, but I am here with you on hacker news and this site is not a representative sample at all. I have never had mobile FF crash on me, largely been a good experience.

> I have never had mobile FF crash on me

A few months ago they released a version of Nightly that would crash for most users on startup every time. It was up on the Play store for several days.

That would normally be a buyer-beware situation as with any dev build, but Mozilla had purposely locked several important features - such as about:config configuration and loading any extension - behind the Nightly version, forcing users into that kind of experience.

Re: State of Mozilla

#60

As usual, you see a lot of hate against Mozilla's management team on HN. It makes me wonder, the people who hold these views, do they begrudingly use firefox? Do they use a different browser?

Yes, I gave up on Firefox many years ago and use Chromium now. This is because of the identity politics and feminist "code of conduct" speech code being pushed by the organization. I know Google is no better, but I still did it to make a statement to Mozilla. Enough people doing that might get them to stop this nonsense.
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