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Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by InSteady »

dijit wrote: post #22
basisword wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think you’re entitled to dig up peoples bodies and conduct research on indigenous people? That kind of entitlement is the cause of everything bad in the tech industry.

There's a limit, surely. After 3 generations of nobody having known you living: surely your body must have reverted to general property. I don't want to start a holy war, I understand sentimentality. But if you dug up my great grandfathers great grandfather then honestly I have absolutely no connection to the man and his body could be anywhere on earth. It's not my property and despite sharing some of my genes it's p…

Many indigenous cultures care deeply about their ancestors. And not just the most recent batch of them. Your idea that the remains of the dead should become "general property" that can be harvested, used, and/or abused as anyone sees fit is both absurd and offensive. Sorry, but we are sentimental creatures pretty much as a rule. We do get to pick and choose what we are sentimental about (to some degree), but it turns out a lot of people care about their ancestors and perhaps even the ancestors of other people in their community/culture who they aren't directly related to.

>What once was a man merely returned to the atoms and microbes of the planet that bore it.

Bones last for centuries, millennia, and longer. In fact bones are the very thing we are discussing (in the form of teeth), and they are obviously very much intact beyond your arbitrary 3 generation cutoff. So while your sentiment may be noble and erudite, it's not relevant at all.

Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by dijit »

InSteady wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a limit, surely. After 3 generations of nobody having known you living: surely your body must have reverted to general property. I don't want to start a holy war, I understand sentimentality. But if you dug up my great grandfathers great grandfather then honestly I have absolutely no connection to the man and his body could be anywhere on earth. It's not my property and despite sharing some of my genes it's p…

Many indigenous cultures care deeply about their ancestors. And not just the most recent batch of them. Your idea that the remains of the dead should become "general property" that can be harvested, used, and/or abused as anyone sees fit is both absurd and offensive. Sorry, but we are sentimental creatures pretty much as a rule. We do get to pick and choose what we are sentimental about (to some degree), but it turns…

thats kinda my point though. If you accidentally come across 300 year old human remains then of course care should be taken.

However after 8 generations there is already so little connection left, keeping in mind 8 generations is roughly 160-240 years.

Yes, we are sentimental creatures, however if we hold that human remains are permanently sacred then we will run out of habitable space on the planet if we continue to bury our dead.

Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by smogcutter »

dijit wrote: post #49
smogcutter wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one’s talking about farming, they’re digging up actual graves.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

No, you just weren’t making as much of one as you think.

Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by dijit »

smogcutter wrote: post #53
dijit wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

No, you just weren’t making as much of one as you think.

Ok, if you understood the point how about arguing that instead of trying to derail the conversation.

I expect better honestly.

Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by smogcutter »

dijit wrote: post #54
smogcutter wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you just weren’t making as much of one as you think.

Ok, if you understood the point how about arguing that instead of trying to derail the conversation. I expect better honestly.

Ok, here it is fully spelled out: your argument about unintentionally desecrating graves is completely irrelevant to a question of intentionally desecrating graves.

Re: Study of ancient British oral microbiomes reveals shift following Black Death

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Post by dijit »

smogcutter wrote: post #55
dijit wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, if you understood the point how about arguing that instead of trying to derail the conversation. I expect better honestly.

Ok, here it is fully spelled out: your argument about unintentionally desecrating graves is completely irrelevant to a question of intentionally desecrating graves.

The root problem applies though.

If you need permission: who among the population can give it, and what connection could they have to what amounts to a strangers corporeal remains.

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