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300-year-old Tokyo comb company sells 30k-yen ($200) wooden hair combs

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I've always felt that Japan takes things the rest of the world is known for and does it better. Some examples to add on to yours above. - Better denim than America - Better coffee than Italy/France/etc - Better French pastries than France

Colombian coffee is arguably the best, not Japanese, Italian, or French. As for denim I doubt that, any examples?

Google Japanese Denim, there are too many examples to list. And a lot of non Japanese brands will have some lines of Japanese denim, even Levis.

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Yes because they understand the point of life. It is the creating and the making that makes things worth living. That is why chat gpt and similar tech is going to make our lives more meaningless. Writing and struggling and completing the poem is itself more than half of what makes a poem worthy. The final artifact which chatgpt provides is meaningless without that effort.

> Yes because they understand the point of life. It is the creating and the making that makes things worth living. Surely one of the lowest birthrates in the world and highest suicide rates would contend with that.

Some (myself included) would rather live a depressing yet productive existence than a carefree but ultimately meaningless one. Working hard is what life is about.

I’m not claiming that explains what’s going on in this case; just that what you point out isn’t necessarily as much of a contradiction as it might initially seem.

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I find it endearing, fascinating but ultimately tedious that the Japanese put SO much effort into both seemingly mundane AND intricate objects. I realize that it's more a combination of tradition and their self imposed ~exile~ (isolationism, corrected) from the world for a long time. But there must be a reason why they excel, I mean really excel at anything they put their minds to. Their population also tolerates thi…

Why tedious?

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I find it endearing, fascinating but ultimately tedious that the Japanese put SO much effort into both seemingly mundane AND intricate objects. I realize that it's more a combination of tradition and their self imposed ~exile~ (isolationism, corrected) from the world for a long time. But there must be a reason why they excel, I mean really excel at anything they put their minds to. Their population also tolerates thi…

A level of trade protectionism second only to North Korea has done a handy job of protecting all these various cottage industries...and I really don't see the difference between this and any of the other bespoke high-end goods made throughout western history?

Tenacity? Their tenacity for genocide, torture, and chemical/biological warfare is probably something we could do without.

This is still topical because for decades the powers that be in Japan have been openly pushing "we did nothing wrong / were the victims in WW2" historical revisionism that would make a Texas Board of Education member blush, and they've been increasingly running roughshod over the restrictions on military buildup.

Then there's the horrific criminal justice system.

Oh, and there's also the rampant xenophobia and racism.

You spoke of high praise for their manga; google "terraformars." A manga that started in 2011, gained an anime adaptation, and is still wildly popular. White/asian space settlers land on mars and battle native "bugs" that look exactly like extreme caricatures of black people, right down to their hair and hairstyling.

Re: 300-year-old Tokyo comb company sells 30k-yen ($200) wooden hair combs

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I've always felt that Japan takes things the rest of the world is known for and does it better. Some examples to add on to yours above. - Better denim than America - Better coffee than Italy/France/etc - Better French pastries than France

Can anyone talk more to the point about coffee? I’m in Melbourne and I just don’t get how people describe Italian coffee as good. Most cafes in Melbourne serve coffee roasted here and it’s really good. Sweet and acidic without bitterness. But every time I try an Italian brand of coffee here it’s always like drinking burnt dirt. Is the coffee sold in Italy better than the Italian branded stuff sold overseas? As for Ja…

It’s like tea in Britain. Almost everyone drinks it — it’s truly a national obsession and we’re proud of it — but the average quality is awful. Even moving from teabags to loose leaf is a vast improvement and yet is still considered a bit too posh/hipster for most.

As you say, same with coffee in Italy. People conflate widespread popularity with deep knowledge.

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I agree, in spirit, but there are many bad coffee shops and restaurants through out Japan too. They are, obviously, not depicted in the media. The things that I can praise are mostly things that don’t usually exist outside of Japan, either because foreigners don’t like them or because it’s difficult to make them, some examples include: - “smart” toilets -- https://jp.toto.com/products/toilet/ - (fresh) もち -- https://…

Mochi and red bean paste I already enjoy, so I was curious about 卵かけご飯 but frankly it's just made me consider egg fried rice as a legit breakfast option :)

The cool folks refer to it as TKG. ;-)

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I wish I knew of this earlier. My wife and I are celebrating our 5th wedding anniversary at the end of the month and our theme this year calls for something made of wood. Unfortunately the timing and logistical challenge of sourcing something like this from Japan rules it out as a potential gift idea.

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It’s worth admiring businesses like this, though they may not be for the HN crowd that only thinks about companies that can scale to a billion dollars. If the AI dream becomes real, lots of the businesses around today are going to the next generation’s $200 comb. For every industry mass production kills, there is at least one company that survives by making an artisan alternative.

It’s interesting you point that out, because businesses that are clearly incredibly successful and have hordes of loyal customers and yet seemingly have zero interest in expansion is something I strongly associate with Japan.

Think of the humble noodle shop with three seats and a constant queue of thirty people down the street. Intensely business-minded (almost imperialistic) people find it very hard to understand people who just don’t think that way. For some, doing one’s best and getting by is enough. But it seems naive and backward to others.

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Yes because they understand the point of life. It is the creating and the making that makes things worth living. That is why chat gpt and similar tech is going to make our lives more meaningless. Writing and struggling and completing the poem is itself more than half of what makes a poem worthy. The final artifact which chatgpt provides is meaningless without that effort.

The output you create with tools doesn't have to be any less rewarding that the output you create without them. A good game isn't inherently meaningless to your life because you used existing tools far beyond your capacity to construct alone (a computer, a compiler, a game engine) and a bad game isn't inherently meaningful to you just because you made it out of a tree with your bare hands. How you wield the tools (in…

Not a popular opinion around here, but generative AI has little overlap with the processes common to creating all sorts of art, but lots in common with commissioning creative work. When you commission art, you have a discussion with the artist— however long it needs to be to get your point across. That can be quite lengthy and involve many sketches, mood boards, etc for important pieces, or a couple of sentences for others— and there are usually iterations where things get modified based on your input. When I do visual design work, I build those two things into every contract I put together. Using generative AI uses almost exactly the same process as commissioning art — you're just commissioning it from a computer that will give you an amalgam of other people's art much more quickly than humans can produce it. That's fundamentally philosophically different than using a tool that will make it easier to put elements that you made into a piece exactly as you want them. Someone compositing with photoshop or doing layout with indesign or whatnot can't call themselves a paste-up person or a dark room photo editor, but they are still deliberately placing elements they made to look exactly like they want, from their own minds, into a piece that they create. They are creating art. I've seen few people using generative AI in my particular disciplines that even vaguely understand how many decisions that algorithm is making for them in that process. They just don't understand it enough to know what they don't know. That's the point, right? Nothing wrong with that, but it's distinct from creating art. It's not even bumper bowling— it's directing an amalgam of all bowlers and taking credit when it gets a strike.

If you commissioned work from an artist, you wouldn't simply cross out that artist's name and add your own, would you? Art directors and editors who exercise precise control over their artist's output don't remove the artists name and add their own, do they?

If there was an AI system that could competently perform surgery, no matter how much massaging that prompt needed, I wouldn't call myself a surgeon for using it, and it would a fundamentally philosophically different activity than a surgeon performing laproscopic survey, evergreen though they're assisted by a modern tool.

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I've always felt that Japan takes things the rest of the world is known for and does it better. Some examples to add on to yours above. - Better denim than America - Better coffee than Italy/France/etc - Better French pastries than France

Can anyone talk more to the point about coffee? I’m in Melbourne and I just don’t get how people describe Italian coffee as good. Most cafes in Melbourne serve coffee roasted here and it’s really good. Sweet and acidic without bitterness. But every time I try an Italian brand of coffee here it’s always like drinking burnt dirt. Is the coffee sold in Italy better than the Italian branded stuff sold overseas? As for Ja…

I don’t get the love for Japanese coffee either - I found one good coffee place in Kyoto and everywhere else was mediocre at best.
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