I'd love to see a browser natively and deeply integrate a 3rd party password manager like bitwarden or 1password, instead of just supporting Keychain.
I 100% switched from 3rd party password managers to keychain and never looked back. It does everything natively, including 2-factor auth.
Orion Browser by Kagi
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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#52Is there an argument to be made for a lighter browser such as this being more secure than Safari or Firefox on macOS?
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#53If I load reddit.com on the iOS Orion browser the page is completely unresponsive. Anyone else experience this? Not a great first impression sadly.
I use Safari for Reddit because of the SinkIt extension: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/sink-it-for-reddit/id644987363...
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm glad someone is trying to doing something hard that will benefit people. We need more companies that want to do the hard thing, not the easy profitable thing.
Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.
Is all telemetry good in your eyes? Telemetry is a cheaper solution to hiring quality assurance. Many will feel sharing their usage details to increase profits is acceptance and others might feel this free product isn't so free anymore.
No, collecting information on how many times someone types the sequence "abcd" is a waste of resources. Figuring out what telemetry will be useful and understanding the privacy implications is important.
>Telemetry is a cheaper solution to hiring quality assurance.
These are not comparable. Telemetry is about understanding how the product is operating. QA is about testing the product.
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#56Developing a complex product like a browser without telemetry will be hard. Especially if they are trying to commit to objectives like using minimal battery or memory. There are many many different websites so its hard to predict what your users are using the browser for.
Respecting user privacy begins with browser being zero telemetry. If it is not, it can not claim to be privacy-respecting.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Respecting user privacy begins with browser being zero telemetry. If it is not, it can not claim to be privacy-respecting.
Telemetry can be privacy respecting. For example it may be useful to know the average page load time. The browser could record 100 different page loads and then send the median time.
If the user opts-in into telemetry then obviously it is user's choice, but usually browsers with telemetry do not make this an opt-in choice.
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#58How is it actually working now? The last time I tried it I felt it was pretty buggy -- but in an ideal world I'd love to switch.
Occasionally it'll do something stupid and hang completely, but I'd say maybe that happens once or twice a week, not enough to stop me using it (and I live in it most of the day).
Re: Orion Browser by Kagi
#59EDIT: Nevermind, I somehow totally missed the "beta" plastered all over the place. I just gave Orion a try because of this HackerNews post --- what a buggy mess. I've already seen three crashes using it, mostly by bookmarking things or deleting old bookmarks. I'm very grateful that there are good players entering the space (from what I hear Kagi is amazing), but Orion just is not ready to be a daily driver.