Live data from Hacker News

Orion Browser by Kagi

kagi.com

51–60 of 194 posts

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#51

I'd love to see a browser natively and deeply integrate a 3rd party password manager like bitwarden or 1password, instead of just supporting Keychain.

I 100% switched from 3rd party password managers to keychain and never looked back. It does everything natively, including 2-factor auth.

As much as I generally love Apple products, I'm good with keeping my passwords in a system not 100% controlled by Apple. Thanks though!

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#52

Is there an argument to be made for a lighter browser such as this being more secure than Safari or Firefox on macOS?

One neat feature is that it has native ad and tracking blockers, which can be more powerful than ad-blocking extensions.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#53
post #5

If I load reddit.com on the iOS Orion browser the page is completely unresponsive. Anyone else experience this? Not a great first impression sadly.

I use Safari for Reddit because of the SinkIt extension: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/sink-it-for-reddit/id644987363...

I am running apollo with a patch to use my own API key. I am not sure what I am going to do when this eventually breaks

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad someone is trying to doing something hard that will benefit people. We need more companies that want to do the hard thing, not the easy profitable thing.

Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.

From your point of view, does using telemetry have downsides? No concept of misleading info or bad product development direction from using it?

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#55
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.

Is all telemetry good in your eyes? Telemetry is a cheaper solution to hiring quality assurance. Many will feel sharing their usage details to increase profits is acceptance and others might feel this free product isn't so free anymore.

>Is all telemetry good in your eyes?

No, collecting information on how many times someone types the sequence "abcd" is a waste of resources. Figuring out what telemetry will be useful and understanding the privacy implications is important.

>Telemetry is a cheaper solution to hiring quality assurance.

These are not comparable. Telemetry is about understanding how the product is operating. QA is about testing the product.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#56

Developing a complex product like a browser without telemetry will be hard. Especially if they are trying to commit to objectives like using minimal battery or memory. There are many many different websites so its hard to predict what your users are using the browser for.

Respecting user privacy begins with browser being zero telemetry. If it is not, it can not claim to be privacy-respecting.

Telemetry can be privacy respecting. For example it may be useful to know the average page load time. The browser could record 100 different page loads and then send the median time.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respecting user privacy begins with browser being zero telemetry. If it is not, it can not claim to be privacy-respecting.

Telemetry can be privacy respecting. For example it may be useful to know the average page load time. The browser could record 100 different page loads and then send the median time.

It almost can not by definition, as every telemetry will include user IP address which is considered PII. Regardless what the stated purpose of that telemetry was, private information will leak and that browser can not be calling itself privacy respecting. Zero telemetry by default is the only way a browser respects user privacy.

If the user opts-in into telemetry then obviously it is user's choice, but usually browsers with telemetry do not make this an opt-in choice.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#58
post #7

How is it actually working now? The last time I tried it I felt it was pretty buggy -- but in an ideal world I'd love to switch.

Some bugs still. Mostly if I run into a bug, and I try to open the same site in Safari, I experience the same bug.

Occasionally it'll do something stupid and hang completely, but I'd say maybe that happens once or twice a week, not enough to stop me using it (and I live in it most of the day).

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#59

EDIT: Nevermind, I somehow totally missed the "beta" plastered all over the place. I just gave Orion a try because of this HackerNews post --- what a buggy mess. I've already seen three crashes using it, mostly by bookmarking things or deleting old bookmarks. I'm very grateful that there are good players entering the space (from what I hear Kagi is amazing), but Orion just is not ready to be a daily driver.

Depends on what platform you use - iOS is quite buggy whereas I have close to zero issues on Mac. Turn on compatability mode (left button next to address bar) if a site does not work properly which turns of ad blocker etc.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

#60
I use it on an old macbook-pro-2012 (stuck on Catalina and on an old version of Safari). Thank you Kagi for providing a build with a recent version of WebKit. On the iPad I use it just for youtube, sometimes. It is still pretty rough around the edges compared to current Safari.
Post reply on HN