This is some seriously brazen propaganda. I'll give them points for courage.
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People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
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Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people with high IQ may vote to further the interests of people with high IQ, effectively oppressing the people with low IQ.
Too lazy/tired to work it out in detail but afair IQ is normally distributed so I don't think this linear weighting would bring high IQ much if any advantage vs the average person when weighted by sample count (because there's so many more average people). But the low IQ population would be seriously at a disadvantage vs the average and high IQ populations.
We're saying the same thing, it just depends on where you put the groupings. The top 50% of the bell curve would have outsized voting power compared to the bottom 50% (which is what I meant by "high" vs "low").
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#53It's important to distinguish between Brexit and voting for Brexit.
The question on the referendum was:
> Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
and the options were:
> Remain a member of the European Union
and
> Leave the European Union
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the UK could in fact do better outside the EU.
Let's also assume that most economists, trade experts, business groups, politicians, etc from all across the political spectrum agreed with this.
Let's even assume that the consensus among all those experts was so strong that you'd pretty much have to be an idiot to think the the UK should remain in the EU.
It would still be dumb to vote "leave" on that particular referendum because it doesn't say anything about how Brexit is to be implemented.
For things like this whose implementation is very complicated and there are many ways to get it wrong and negate many or even most of the benefits you were hoping to get from it there needs to be at least two separate referendums.
The first referendum directs the government to work out how it will be implemented--writing all necessary legislation, negotiating all necessary treaties and trade agreements, and so on.
The second referendum would be on whether or not to accept that implementation.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#54This is such bull crap. The way a person votes should not be an indicator of their intelligence. To try to put that label on someone is demeaning both to the person, and to the right to vote in a free democracy.
It should not be, which is why it’s notable when it is.
I think you’re mixing up the causal link here. Voting for Brexit is not being used as proof of lower intelligence. But there is a clear divide. If one has lower intelligence, that person is more likely to have voted for Brexit.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#55This is such bull crap. The way a person votes should not be an indicator of their intelligence. To try to put that label on someone is demeaning both to the person, and to the right to vote in a free democracy.
It should not be, which is why it’s notable when it is. I think you’re mixing up the causal link here. Voting for Brexit is not being used as proof of lower intelligence. But there is a clear divide. If one has lower intelligence, that person is more likely to have voted for Brexit.
That's impossible to know. It's making an assumption based on a predetermined belief that lower intelligence votes for things others more "righteous" disagree with. There is no causal relationship between voting and intelligence, and it's elitist to believe so.
Many highly intelligent people voted for Brexit, but they are deemed "lower intelligence" by those who voted against it. It's like saying only low intelligent people vote liberal. It's impossible to measure, purely assumed. Just because someone disagrees does not mean they are lower intelligence.
I think the whole study is ballocks.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#56While there was a split with more educated voting remain and working class voting leave, I don't think it was down to "cognitive ability in processing and discounting misinformation."
More things like well off graduates benefiting from hiring cheap Polish plumbers, while British plumbers etc suffered from that.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It should not be, which is why it’s notable when it is. I think you’re mixing up the causal link here. Voting for Brexit is not being used as proof of lower intelligence. But there is a clear divide. If one has lower intelligence, that person is more likely to have voted for Brexit.
That's impossible to know. It's making an assumption based on a predetermined belief that lower intelligence votes for things others more "righteous" disagree with. There is no causal relationship between voting and intelligence, and it's elitist to believe so. Many highly intelligent people voted for Brexit, but they are deemed "lower intelligence" by those who voted against it. It's like saying only low intelligent…
> It's making an assumption based on a predetermined belief that lower intelligence votes for things others more "righteous" disagree with.
In this case, it's not an assumption. The majority of Brexit voters were less intelligent. That's just how it is. It doesn't necessarily mean they were wrong however.
> Many highly intelligent people voted for Brexit, but they are deemed "lower intelligence" by those who voted against it.
One does not necessarily follow the other. It really feels like you're trying to defend a Brexit vote more than anything else here.
And I get it, everything bad about it that was claimed came to fruition while none of the good happened. And people were explicitly told that what the problems would be and that the other side was at best wishful thinking. People can point to receipts and say "Look, we literally told you so". But, the voters listened to people they listened to their entire lives. They trusted those people. And they disregarded people they saw as contrarian. Because that's where politics was going at the time, high polarization where conformity to one's "side" being the most important factor. Often at the expense of actual policy.
It's now so bad that if one side has a completely reasonable, middle of the road, easy to implement take, the other side has to reject simply because it came from "the wrong side". But things like Brexit were indicators of this polarization taking hold.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
They voted for it because they were propagandized into believing it was in their interests.
Ahh yes, the old “the poor are too stupid…” argument.
Nowhere did I say stupid… everyone is susceptible to propaganda, and to deny its influence in this particular circumstance seems naive.
Re: People who voted for Brexit ‘more likely to be less intelligent’, study claims
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ahh yes, the old “the poor are too stupid…” argument.
Nowhere did I say stupid… everyone is susceptible to propaganda, and to deny its influence in this particular circumstance seems naive.
You don’t have to use a specific word to pull out an old political trope.