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Re: My north star for the future of AI

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Post by TriNetra » Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

peddling-brink wrote: post #19

__loam wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines don't think. They do what they're told, nothing more. "Simple man" as they say.

Neither do we. We just do what our neurons tell us to do.

NO. we repeatedly deny what our neurons demand, E.G. lust, violence etc. Granted, we end up falling for these impulses many a times, but we also deny them many times. The former occurs more with those who identify themselves with their impulses (desires); as one evolves one's mind and intelligence, one is able to resist and have a much better control on these impulses. AI as it stands only represents human brain; the mind is much bigger than brain with multitude of functions and don't get me started on consciousness, which is the chief ruler of all and beyond mind, space and time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57DSgRWBRM

Re: My north star for the future of AI

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Post by RugnirViking » Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 2:07 PM UTC

the best, and most useful, programs and algorithms are ones that you download off a site that hasn't been updated in years, asks no money, consists of a single .exe, and does a single job.

I've been thinking a lot about tools, recently. About how much things should be designed to be predictable, narrow in scope, and simple. Predictable in particular meaning not only determinative, but also meaning with no edge cases (so they can be simplified as a mutation rather than having to think about the why of how they work).

Re: My north star for the future of AI

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Post by JohnFen » Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 4:33 PM UTC

contrarian1234 wrote: post #36

Talent being siphoned off into industry is an understandable and interesting issue. I didn't expect the shift to ethics at the end. I can't help but snort when someone from an advertising company talks about ethics. You're part of a machine making billions off of exploiting human psychology to push products and get people to click ads. She's maybe not wrong about the issues with AI.. but there are way bigger problems…

> Engineers are not the right people to deal with ethics.

I think that engineers (and everyone in every field) are the right people to deal with ethics. Pretty much everything anyone does has an ethical component to it, and it's a mistake to ignore that. It's an even bigger mistake to farm thinking about ethics out to specialists.

Laws and regulations are critically important as well, but they don't define ethics. They are informed by ethics. That's why it's false to think that if something is legal, that means it's ethical and vice versa.

Re: My north star for the future of AI

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Post by peddling-brink » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 5:21 AM UTC

TriNetra wrote: post #51

peddling-brink wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither do we. We just do what our neurons tell us to do.

NO. we repeatedly deny what our neurons demand, E.G. lust, violence etc. Granted, we end up falling for these impulses many a times, but we also deny them many times. The former occurs more with those who identify themselves with their impulses (desires); as one evolves one's mind and intelligence, one is able to resist and have a much better control on these impulses. AI as it stands only represents human brain; the…

Yes, but who's telling those neurons NO? Other neurons.

Granted, there's much more at play than _just_ neurons.