In the mean time, China is adding more and more solar, and is ahead of schedule in decarbonizing. Maybe there is still some hope.
is it ahead? last I heard the set goal became too optimistic
Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday
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Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday
#52Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.
Let us do not forget about plastic straws. Let's ban plastic straws.
Oh, I thought that was already the case everywhere as I live in France and basically didn’t travel much over the last years.
The trend is probably too slow but it’s there: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/plastic-bans-around...
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#532 degrees is fine I guess, but id prefer if it were at least up in the 60's every day, I wouldnt complain about still being able to feel my hands after taking the dogs for a walk.
Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday
#54In the mean time, China is adding more and more solar, and is ahead of schedule in decarbonizing. Maybe there is still some hope.
Hate to be critical but I just find the CCP hard to trust.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Looking at the graphs, however, we should go back to covid society, well, without all the dying. With the dying you save the environment way faster. "We should go back to covid society" just means let's all be ascetic monks. There's too many people in the world. We don't need more wetlands or this or that, we just need to understand that a population that grows without limits always destroys itself, that's all. Wha…
Since I rarely get to talk to Malthusians: Do you have a preferred approach for population reduction? Tangential point: You severely underestimate the impact of scale and specialization on our standard of living. There is no way we could the same variety of nice things at 500million people
It's happening already, I'd just not create incentive programs to boost birthrates. I don't like to take a very heavy handed way to "control" society, think it's better to just let some things happen the way they happen, because if I'm wrong at least I didn't go full on. But the most developed / educated countries are already going down fast except for immigration. Once the countries immigrants come from rise to the same economic levels, I would predict their birth rates would also go down.
To your tangential point: I think technological development will allow less and less people needed on the supply chain to sustain the same quality of life for society. I think this is clear from history and it only goes in one direction.
I'm aware there's people that defend more extreme views like boosting abortions or other dystopian measures. I don't believe in any of those, I think everyone should have the right to reproduce if they feel like it, I'd just rather it be an informed decision, but I wouldn't add any control measures for fear of abusive mis-use by the government later on.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most taxes on motorists outside of large towns/cities (where there's no viable alternative to cars). Of course, climate catastrophists want everyone living in pods in dystopian mega-cities as the solution for this. Ok, 'get in the pods' may be a silly meme, but living a tiny but ludicrously expensive city centre apartment and working from home on a screen (or in a future metaverse) all day, getting most things delive…
The only reason cars are viable "outside large towns/cities" is because the large cities are subsidizing road construction in rural areas. Those rural area voters, in turn, elect politicians who scream blue bloody murder about how high taxes are, and refuse to vote for funding for public transportation...something that would benefit the cities generating the wealth the rural areas. Isn't it wild how the "fiscal conse…
Large cities couldn't exist without rural areas and their food production.
Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday
#57Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.
A tax on CO2 producers that is redistributed as basic income, helping the smallest guy the most, would be a gradual force to shift to cleaner energy, since the seismic shift that is required cleary is not favored by anyone.
While I approve of UBI and environmental protection, I don't think it's going to help either cause to mix them together like that.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let us do not forget about plastic straws. Let's ban plastic straws.
Oh, I thought that was already the case everywhere as I live in France and basically didn’t travel much over the last years. The trend is probably too slow but it’s there: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/plastic-bans-around...
Yeah, I was referring to this past move of EU as being particularly effective one to combat plastic pollution. EDIT: But you are right, banning single-use plastic bags is a first step. Let's keep walking.
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#59It’s not critical, it’s arbitrary. The earth is warming, it’s going to keep warming. What we should do is focus on practical responses to both limit future warming and handle the consequences of where we’re heading. The moralizing and doom don’t really help anybody.
What? It's critical, so let's focus on practical responses to both limit future warming and handle the consequences of where we’re heading. A lot of people over-dramatise the situation, but we should be afraid to use words like "critical" when they make sense.
What I mean is the number isn’t critical. 1.9 degrees or 2.1 degrees aren’t substantially different, 2.0 degrees is an arbitrary milestone not a critical threshold. There is nothing particularly special about 2 with regards to outcomes.
Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday
#60Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.
A flat per gram CO2 tax would be a great idea, but universal international cooperation is required and this would hurt less developed countries a LOT. At this point lots of warming is inevitable regardless of what (peaceful) things the US and EU do. Africa will get four billion people this century and they want things.
Africa can skip a lot of our mistakes.
PV is cheap, and for places that don't yet have a reliable grid connection, batteries may be cheaper than building a grid (or stabilising it if they have one that's unstable).