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Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the good talent leave? Are they all a "family" and best buddies with Sam?

Perhaps they don’t want to work for a board of directors which is openly hostile to the work they’re doing?

I don't think wanting to make sure that their technology doesn't cause harm equates to being hostile to the work itself.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Only time will tell, but if this was indeed "just" a coup then it's somewhat likely we're witnessing a variant of the Steve Jobs story all over again. Sam is clearly one of the top product engineering leaders in the world -- few companies could ever match OpenAI's incredible product delivery over the last few years -- and he's also one of the most connected engineering leaders in the industry. He could likely have $5…

Agree with this take. Sam made OpenAI hot, and they’re going to cool, for better or worse. Without revenue it’ll be worse. And surprising Microsoft given their investment size is going to lead to pressures they may not be able to negotiate against.

If this pivot is what they needed to do, the drama-version isn’t the smart way to do it.

Everyone’s going to be much more excited to see what Sam pulls next and less excited to wait the dev cycles that OpenAI wants to do next.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Here's the thing. I've always been kind of cold on OpeanAI claiming to be "Open" when it was clearly a for profit thing and I was concerned about the increasing move to the commercialization of AI that Sam was taking. But I am much more concerned to be honest those who feel they need to control the development of AI to ensure it is "aligns with their principles", after all principles can change, and to quote Lewis "O…

I think "don't extinguish humanity or leave most of them unemployed" is a principle everyone can get and stay behind.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

#54
Seems pretty straightforward, the dev day was a breaking point for the non-profit interests.

Question is, how did the board become so unbalanced where this kind of dispute couldn’t be handled better? The commercial interests were not well-represented in the number of votes.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

#55

Man this still seems crazy to me. The idea that this tension between commercial/non-commercial aspirations got so bad they felt the nuclear option of a surprise firing of Altman was the only move available doesn't seem plausible to me. I believe this decision was ego and vanity driven with this post-hoc rationalization that it was because of the mission of "benefiting humanity."

What if the board gave Altman clear direction, Altman told them he accepted it, and then went off and did something else? This hypothesis doesn’t require the board’s direction to be objectively good.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t imagine an organization where this wouldn’t have come up on some roadmap or prioritization meeting, etc. How could leadership not know what the org is working on?! They’re not that big.

Board is not exactly leadership. They meet infrequently and get updates directly from management, they don't go around asking employees what they're working on

They do typically have views into strategic plans, roadmaps and product plans.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

#57

I hope they go back to being Open now that Altman is gone. It seems Ilya wants it to 'benefit all of humanity' again.

Isn’t that a bit like stealing from the for-profit investors? I’m not the first one to shed a tear for the super wealthy, but is that even legal? Can a company you invested in just say they don’t like profit any more?

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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What are the odds Sam can work the phones this weekend and have $10B lined up by Monday for a new AI company which will take all of the good talent from OpenAI?

And then?

Training data is more restricted now, hardware is hard to get, fine tuning needs time.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

#59
I know everybody is going nuts about this, but just from my personal perspective I’ve worked at a variety of companies with “important” CEOs, and in every single one of those cases had the CEO left I would not have cared at all.

The CEO always gets way too much credit externally for what the company is doing, it does not mean the CEO is that important.

OpenAI might be different, I don’t have any personal experience, but I also am not going to assume that this is a complete outlier.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

#60
If the firing was because of a difference in "vision", then it doesn't really matter if Altman was key to making OpenAI so successful. Sutskever and co, don't want it to be successful (by market standards at least). If they get their way (past MSFT and others) then OpenAI will no longer be the cutting edge.

Buy GOOGL?

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