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Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by izzydata »

zamadatix wrote: post #27
izzydata wrote: post #4

Are people going to start throwing around the term "AGI" now that "AI" has become diluted? Eventually we are going to have to start using "RAGI" to indicate that we are talking about real artificial general intelligence.

This says the mission is creating AGI, i.e. that's the primary goal/purpose. It doesn't mean it's something they think they've been doing already, just what they've been trying to work towards. There are actually some really good blog posts by Altman diving into this much deeper.

Fair enough if that is what they believe. Personally I find AGI is a bit unrealistic and mentioning it is just for the purpose of creating hype. It feels like something Musk would say to give people this vague futurism belief of their tech that won't actually happen this century if ever.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by underseacables »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #38
peyton wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board probably sucks and Sam lies to deal with it.

That seems like an incredibly bad strategy on his part though. Like, doing that is just actively making your own life difficult. Edit: thinking about it more: lying to the board, even if they suck, seems like the fast-track to completely blowing away your own reputation.

Sam seems to have an enormous ego, so it's not out of the world of possibilities.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by ALittleLight »

psswrd12345 wrote: post #49

Kara is an access journalist who has been holding Altman up as the "next Jobs" for a while now. She has no credibility as anything other than an opinionated "journalist" and it would not be surprising if her "sources" are none other than Altman himself.

But Altman would be a good source. I don't like Kara Swisher, but Altman seems like a credible source here (if that is her source). He surely knows high up people at OpenAI and may have talked to them.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by arp242 »

peyton wrote: post #33
FridgeSeal wrote: post #10

I got one, am here for the popcorn! What did Sam lie to the board about that caused them to basically eject him like he’s radioactive? Why did Greg take his toys away and quit on the spot? Are the other departures “solidarity exits”, or because they’re possibly involved in whatever got Sam ejected?? Tune in at 11 to find out more!

The board probably sucks and Sam lies to deal with it.

He'd still 100% wrong.

"I think you're wrong, so let me lie and manipulate to get my way."

Utter toxic twattery.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by psswrd12345 »

Ninjak8051 wrote: post #50

This BOD went out and shot their own company. Sam & friends can now cherry-pick whoever they want from OpenAI and recreate most of the value in a few months under their own governance. Firing Sam is absolutely one of the dumbest things a BOD has ever done in history. He's the founding CEO of the company that is insanely successful, he is the company. If you wanted him gone for some trivial reason you needed to get hi…

"Firing Sam is absolutely one of the dumbest things a BOD has ever done in history."

You sure about that? This take is going to age like milk once facts come out.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by [deleted] »

smoldesu wrote: post #37
crazygringo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been for a while. It's become increasingly clear that they're two different concepts so we need two different names. And nobody involved with currently commercialized projects is going to stop using the term AI, so a new term was needed. AGI seems as good as any other -- do you object? I see no reason we'll need a third term as you suggest, unless we come to a new gigantic breakthrough that is miles beyond…

> It's become increasingly clear that they're two different concepts so we need two different names. Here's a suggestion; stop calling LLMs "AI". Yes, I know; the shareholders will hate it. But then, you're not building towards any expectation of intelligent behavior. The fact that we have to qualify the existence of intelligence with a different acronym says it all; people are disappointed with what we have. AI simp…

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Post by skepticATX »

So, if this is true, the safety folks won despite not having any evidence to support their position.

Am I the only one who remembers the numerous takes describing how GPT-4 was going to automate all jobs and possibly end the world? They have proven themselves completely incapable of evaluating the impact of their technology.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by upon_drumhead »

izzydata wrote: post #51
zamadatix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This says the mission is creating AGI, i.e. that's the primary goal/purpose. It doesn't mean it's something they think they've been doing already, just what they've been trying to work towards. There are actually some really good blog posts by Altman diving into this much deeper.

Fair enough if that is what they believe. Personally I find AGI is a bit unrealistic and mentioning it is just for the purpose of creating hype. It feels like something Musk would say to give people this vague futurism belief of their tech that won't actually happen this century if ever.

So is curing cancer, but having a North Star is good, even if it’s unattainable.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by psswrd12345 »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #36
crop_rotation wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might also be the case that the board is not used to things like this, as the board doesn't contain any seasoned board members/executives apart from Adam. Ideally board would be advised by lawyers but who knows.

I don’t buy this narrative that the board is made of “nobodies”. Sure, they might be not be well-known on the SV-board-circuit, but that doesn’t make them unskilled. Nor do I buy that they’re not advised by lawyers; the way I read the board statement is that Altman has lied about _something_ radioactive enough to cause them to dump him basically on the spot, a move that to me, sounds like their legal team went “this…

Exactly.

Re: Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight

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Post by peyton »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #38
peyton wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board probably sucks and Sam lies to deal with it.

That seems like an incredibly bad strategy on his part though. Like, doing that is just actively making your own life difficult. Edit: thinking about it more: lying to the board, even if they suck, seems like the fast-track to completely blowing away your own reputation.

What’s he supposed to do?
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