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Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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Re: Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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Post by darkclouds »

timeon wrote: post #42
darkclouds wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people dont want to validate their existence or the bad laws that also exist on the statute books.

It is better to ask for help from your constituency... unless you have private militia.

I wasnt bought up to ask for help. It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself, today that causes me significant cognitive dissonance which is legal torture and a way to make people self destruct.

Besides why should other people know how I'm being done over?

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

darkclouds wrote: post #51
timeon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is better to ask for help from your constituency... unless you have private militia.

I wasnt bought up to ask for help. It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself, today that causes me significant cognitive dissonance which is legal torture and a way to make people self destruct. Besides why should other people know how I'm being done over?

> It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself

And now you have to learn the counter-lesson the hard way. Doing things without help was not beaten in to me, but through formative experiences and temperament that's also my default. It's a difficult habit to break, but the most powerful people do break it (or never had it in the first place).

One of the explicit duties of the police is to record and, if possible, to respond to civil and criminal infractions. A hit-and-run, or even a plain hit-and-stay is such an infraction. There's absolutely nothing wrong, and plenty of things right, with informing the appropriate people of an incident for which they have a duty to respond.

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Post by 11217mackem »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #46
timeon wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. What do you mean by 'literally' here? Seems like these ride-sharing companies do have impact on public transit. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/do-uber-a... https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/07/25/uber-and-lyft-are-ove...

Neither Uber nor Lyft is "a bunch of sensors stuffed into a single car", to quote the comment I was replying to. But even counting them, public transit seems to be doing fine in Europe, Asia, and NYC despite the existence of ride-share services. Ride sharing services don't impose additional right of way constraints either because they're just private vehicles. I guess I just don't understand why you'd say they preven…

if the amount of human and financial capital invested in ridesharing and autonomous vehicles was instead invested in mass transit in the US, nyc wouldn't be the only city in the nation where not owning a car is a (legitimate, long term) option without sacrifices

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Post by mlindner »

timeon wrote: post #40
mlindner wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone will not live in urban centers and there will never be public transportation to every possible destination.

You can always change to another line.

I included that in my statement.

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Post by coldtea »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #23
egypturnash wrote: post #7

public transit is the answer, not stuffing a bunch of sensors into a single car but nobody's getting venture capital for that, nobody's making a profit off of it, so here we are

Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit. BART predates Cruise by like 50 years, and it took them most of that time to get the noise below 100dB and add mobile payment support. Maybe in another 50 years we'll be able to get to all the cities with >100k people in the bay on it, if we're lucky.

>Literally nothing about autonomous vehicles stops cities from improving public transit

Except the emphasis, funding, infrastructure, etc. being placed on autonomous vehicles instead of the latter.

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Post by sagarm »

jeffrallen wrote: post #9

> Obviously, members of the public have no access to this information (VINs) as to for-hire AVs Sure they do: grab a convenient traffic cone, put it on its hood, and then read off the VIN at your leisure. Or just walk up on the hood of the stupid murder robot, if you are diggin' your 70's cop show vibe that day.

If walking onto the hood of the car seems like a good idea, I'm not sure calling it a murder bot makes sense.

Walking into the hood of a human driven car does seem likely to result in violence, however.

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Post by darkclouds »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #52
darkclouds wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasnt bought up to ask for help. It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself, today that causes me significant cognitive dissonance which is legal torture and a way to make people self destruct. Besides why should other people know how I'm being done over?

> It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself And now you have to learn the counter-lesson the hard way. Doing things without help was not beaten in to me, but through formative experiences and temperament that's also my default. It's a difficult habit to break, but the most powerful people do break it (or never had it in the first place). One of the explicit duties of the police is to r…

I've witnessed and experienced Police criminality so dont lecture me!

Utopia's dont exist, the state like religion or law like medicine is a utopia.

Re: Feds Have No Idea How Many Times Cruise Driverless Cars Hit Pedestrians

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

darkclouds wrote: post #57
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was beaten in to me by parents and teachers, to work things out myself And now you have to learn the counter-lesson the hard way. Doing things without help was not beaten in to me, but through formative experiences and temperament that's also my default. It's a difficult habit to break, but the most powerful people do break it (or never had it in the first place). One of the explicit duties of the police is to r…

I've witnessed and experienced Police criminality so dont lecture me! Utopia's dont exist, the state like religion or law like medicine is a utopia.

It's advice, not a lecture. You seem to be extraordinarily cynical and conditioned based on your life experience so I won't try to give you any more advice based on my life experience.

No one was talking about a utopia.

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Post by chankstein38 »

vikramkr wrote: post #50
chankstein38 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is anyone reviewing these videos? Just having hundreds or thousands of hours of videos doesn't mean you know what's in those videos.

If I was a regulator, that sounds like their problem not mine. They have the data. Let them analyze it. Maybe a different branch of the government could help them with that but if they're bringing the new tech that's on them to prove it. It's not like pharma spends hundreds of millions on a clinical trial for fun. Getting that safety data is hard and will cost billions of dollars? That's your problem not mine. They d…

Fair point! I was definitely in more the "They don't currently know" thought process but you're right, they have the data they just need to actually review it if they haven't!

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Post by choppaface »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #13
choppaface wrote: post #8

Have been hit by Uber twice as a pedestrian. Reported it to Uber support, I gave location and time. And they don’t care, support agents keep dropping and handing off the request because the know it will go nowhere. Where’s the regulation of rideshare accident reporting?

Any reason you aren't reporting it to the police?

lol police reports don't do anything but establish potential liability if the police ever take any action. have had laptop and other things stolen in this city and police never took any action whatsoever. the police only do something when you have somebody to advocate for you like an insurance company (e.g. if my car got hit big time) or a lawyer.

that's why we need regulation to fill that gap. e.g. the DMV and City should track Uber accidents. especially since Uber drivers don't have to get e.g. taxi medallions etc.

in this case, Uber has the actual location data, identity of the driver etc. but instead they choose to ignore it, or even worse do things like greyballing etc

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