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Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by 4death4 »

chimineycricket wrote: post #42
4death4 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but the point still stands. My impression of iOS users is they simply feel they prefer the UX, whereas you feel, as an Android user, that you’re making an ideological choice. As someone who cares little for the ideology of consumer choices, I don’t think we’d get along, which reinforces the original point about personal compatibility.

Please don't make things up. Parent never said a) they own an Android or b) they own one for ideological reasons. >As someone who cares little for the ideology of consumer choices, I don’t think we’d get along This means you actually _do_ care about the ideology of consumer choices, no?

Based on the original comment, the poster heavily implied they’re an Android user specifically for ideological reasons. And indeed, a recent comment confirms this, at least the using Android part: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37771766

Honestly, this was self-evident from the comment. I’m surprised you’re questioning this. Similarly, when I say I don’t care, I really mean I don’t care. I don’t want to spend time thinking about things I don’t care about. So I would be unlikely to enjoy time with someone who forced me to think about things I don’t care about. That doesn’t mean I do care about it.

It feels a little bit like you’re taking plainly self-evident facts and trying to find some deeper meaning or nuance where none exists. That feels like an error-prone way to view the world.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by acdha »

gizajob wrote: post #19
meepmorp wrote: post #13

Do most Android users actually care one way or an another? IMO, it seems like there's a small, if vocal, minority of folks with a deeply weird inferiority complex around blue bubbles and most people don't care at all. None of my Android using friends seem to give a shit.

Android users don't, but apple users do. Part of Apple's "moat". It might seem trivial to you, but people do care about such things.

It’s an Android thing – Apple users are just getting on with their lives, most people outside of the US use an app like WhatsApp, WeChat, or Telegram (iMessage isn’t even in the top 5 globally). Google is pouring millions into a big marketing campaign trying to get people to think of green bubbles as inferior because they’ve accepted catastrophically botching their messaging play and are hoping to get the EU to bail them out. The more they can get Android users to feel insecure about iOS using the same color it’s always used, the more likely that play is to succeed.

Consider that if Google’s goal was actually interoperable messaging they could have opened up their own services at any point since they shut down federation for XMPP, and they could right now be offering E2EE as a free community standard rather than something carriers pay Google to get. They spent money buying Jibe and are hoping to use RCS adoption to make that more profitable.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by acdha »

theodric wrote: post #26
lotsofpulp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has nothing to do with wealth, iPhones are cheap. As another commenter states, it’s about taste or “weirdness”. Similar to making assumptions based on clothing or clothing or other chosen attributes.

The cheapest iPhone is $429. An iPhone 15 not-Pro is at least $799, a Pro $999, up to $1599. Is that cheap?

The cheapest Pixel is $499, so it’s not like Apple users are paying more than the market will bear — and even if you get the Walmart discount phone you’re paying more than the savings in service pretty quickly, so this is a pretty democratic competition compared to all of the other ways people buy things they enjoy or signal affluence: people pay many tens of thousands more for premium SUVs, high end clothing costs considerably more than that iPhone, etc. Half the people here have the same phone as actual billionaires, and we don’t spend any time in their circles otherwise.

Your comment history suggests you have a personal identification with Android, which I think is making it hard to evaluate it rationally. I’d suggest considering whether that’s really a lot of money for something people use so much every single day, and whether your position might be one of the goals of the intense PR play Google has been making to get the EU regulators to make them less of an also-ran in the messaging space - they know it depends on convincing the regulators that Android users are being discriminated against, which is why you hear so many stories about that which turn out to be sourced back to Google and the phone companies.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by shiroiuma »

What kind of people still use phone numbers to send messages to people? This is exclusively an American phenomenon; the rest of the world moved away from SMS ages ago. I don't think any of my iPhone-using friends or acquaintances even know what iMessage is.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by pestatije »

shiroiuma wrote: post #55

What kind of people still use phone numbers to send messages to people? This is exclusively an American phenomenon; the rest of the world moved away from SMS ages ago. I don't think any of my iPhone-using friends or acquaintances even know what iMessage is.

Add to America Europe and Australia, the two places i know of

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by increscent »

I was just thinking of doing this myself. I'm hoping Apple doesn't shut it down. I recently switched to an iPhone because all of my friends use iMessage (I'm in the US). I'm not happy about having to switch, but it's how they choose to communicate and it's a heck of a lot better than SMS/MMS. I'm planning to buy a used Mac Mini and connect it to some messaging gateway or build my own. Then I can use whatever phone I want (used to be a pinephone user).

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by danielbln »

pestatije wrote: post #56
shiroiuma wrote: post #55

What kind of people still use phone numbers to send messages to people? This is exclusively an American phenomenon; the rest of the world moved away from SMS ages ago. I don't think any of my iPhone-using friends or acquaintances even know what iMessage is.

Add to America Europe and Australia, the two places i know of

German here, everyone I know uses Whatsapp, Signal or Telegram.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by boring_twenties »

danielbln wrote: post #59
pestatije wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add to America Europe and Australia, the two places i know of

German here, everyone I know uses Whatsapp, Signal or Telegram.

Whatsapp and Signal can only use phone numbers, though? And Telegram requires a phone number (though you can also have a username).
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