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Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by imiric »

jeffparsons wrote: post #17
ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happy paying 3x more?

Not the person you're replying to, but I'm afraid so. MacBooks are just so far ahead of their "competition" that it's not funny. The M2 MacBook Pros are about as close as you can get to a perfect laptop. Really, I wish it wasn't so. It would arguably be better for everyone (except Apple) if there was some serious competition at the top end of the market. But there just isn't. I've still yet to see another laptop that…

I agree with some of that, but none of it is worth sacrificing user freedom. Using an Apple product is being forced to use computers in exactly the way Apple designed them, with very little room for customization of the experience. This might be fine if your preferences align with Apple's, or if you just don't care, but for tinkerers and tech enthusiasts it's an oppressive and limited environment. And at the end of the day, it still has its own share of issues, like any device, so it's always a tradeoff.

I'd trade lower build quality and performance per watt for software freedom any day of the week. No, Asahi Linux is not a serious option.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

#52

Post by matheusmoreira »

boudin wrote: post #49
matheusmoreira wrote: post #14

> With the TUXEDO Control Center you are able to control the performance and the behavior of the fans by yourself. I remember seeing this project years ago when I tried to reverse engineer my own laptop's fan control functions. https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center I actually tried to make it work on my laptop back then. Didn't succeed unfortunately. I'd really enjoy reading about how they figured…

I can't really confirm if it's the place to look at, but the tuxedo control center works in pair with their kernel module https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-keyboard As the name wrongly imply, it is not just about controlling the keyboard. At least on my laptop (an aura15 gen 2), a whole chunk of the control center is not available when the module is not loaded. Not sure if it will help but you might want to l…

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Back then I looked up those UUIDs on my laptop but none matched. The keyboard features are also different: they're implemented via ACPI on the Tuxedo laptops and via USB control messages on mine.

It's weird. There's all this Clevo ACPI/WMI stuff in those headers but when I dumped my laptop's DSDT tables there was nothing like that. I found some WMI code in there, ran them through a decompiler I found in a GitHub repository and just got back some empty stub code. I still feel disappointed about it.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DSDT

It's really cool that they added sysfs LED controls. I remember looking into that as well. I was planning to send USB LED driver to the kernel but while reading kernel dricer source code and mailing lists to learn how to do it I came across comments saying they prefer to keep stuff in user space whenever possible.

This is my driver in case anyone's interested:

https://github.com/matheusmoreira/ite-829x

I just remembered something else. They used to be on bitbucket instead of github. In 2018 I messaged them there.

https://bitbucket.org/tuxedocomputers/clevo-xsm-wmi/issues/4...

They asked me to email them. I did and they actually sent me the control center software before they released it and also some details about how they were interfacing with the laptop's embedded controller. I still have those emails, they were very helpful. Very nice company and people.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

#53

Post by chme »

Strange, for a company, advertising to the Linux community, to offer only Laptops with Nvidia dGPUs, where you actually have to taint your kernel/userspace with proprietary software in order to use it.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by ekianjo »

Klonoar wrote: post #20
ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happy paying 3x more?

It is a literal drop in the bucket. It's like a mattress: you spend enough time on it that it's worth paying the money and moving on.

> It is a literal drop in the bucket.

That's a very first world comment

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

prmoustache wrote: post #46
dajonker wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No ANSI keyboard might be a deal breaker for my muscle memory and external keyboards (mechanical and MX keys that I had to import from the US because Logitech only sells ISO in the EU)

Why do you need a "specific keyboard" if your muscle memory is there? Just map it to whatever works for you. I am typing all the time in us alt international on various physical keyboards that have printed buttons in spanish qwerty, swiss french qwertz and plain ansi us keyboards. It is only a problem for those that have very little experience/use of the keyboard.

Because muscle memory breaks if the physical layout of the keys is different. The parent is used to ANSI and might hit enter where there's a different key on ISO. I am used to ISO and my layout uses that key as a modifier and is barely usable on ANSI, simply because moving my pinky to the key above enter is uncomfortable for me.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by ekianjo »

jeffparsons wrote: post #17
ekianjo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happy paying 3x more?

Not the person you're replying to, but I'm afraid so. MacBooks are just so far ahead of their "competition" that it's not funny. The M2 MacBook Pros are about as close as you can get to a perfect laptop. Really, I wish it wasn't so. It would arguably be better for everyone (except Apple) if there was some serious competition at the top end of the market. But there just isn't. I've still yet to see another laptop that…

I'll bite for some of your points.

> I've still yet to see another laptop that has even passable handling of sleep states / other parts of power management.

That's the advantage of Apple where they control both hardware and software. It's hard to replicate, so yeah, they have an edge here.

> I've still yet to see another laptop with an even passable trackpad.

Never understood this comment, if you use keyboards instead for shortcuts the trackpad is hardly something you care about. this seems like a comment from Apple users who justify the trackpad as the key differentiator to not even consider anything else, even though the rest of the world has no problem not using Apple trackpads.

> I've still yet to see a laptop with a keyboard as nice as the current generation MacBooks.

Lenovo Thinkpad line has world-class keyboards that put the Macbook's to shame.

> laptop with as slick of a chassis and display.

display, they certainly have good ones, but most of them are not matte. As for the chassis, there's really nothing special in having a uniform grey chassis - it's a matter of taste rather than anything else.

> I've still yet to see another laptop that can chew through demanding workloads, remain snappy the whole time,

Recent AMD CPUs equipped PC, running Linux, fit that description - they are formidable machines with great performance for a variety of workloads and while you will hear the fan now and then, it's still much better than what you had a few years ago.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by mariusor »

chme wrote: post #53

Strange, for a company, advertising to the Linux community, to offer only Laptops with Nvidia dGPUs, where you actually have to taint your kernel/userspace with proprietary software in order to use it.

What do you mean "only"? This specific model has a AMD Radeon 780M card.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

#59

Post by mariusor »

I own one of the previous generations of this laptop and I want to say that the batteries are a bit of a sham (hopefully they're better in this new one). I've had to change them once a year, because they drop from 100% health to 60% in less than 12 months. Each replacement was around 80-90EUR.

Re: Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3

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Post by chme »

mariusor wrote: post #58
chme wrote: post #53

Strange, for a company, advertising to the Linux community, to offer only Laptops with Nvidia dGPUs, where you actually have to taint your kernel/userspace with proprietary software in order to use it.

What do you mean "only"? This specific model has a AMD Radeon 780M card.

But that is a iGPU.
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