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Re: Fedora Workstation 39

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Post by mogwire »

ungamedplayer wrote: post #49
mattl wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, if you exercise your rights to distribute the RHEL source code, Red Hat may terminate your gratis license.

Link to where this was said by rh?

It’s in the EULA. They don’t deny it and it’s their right.

The problem is RMS and all the people supporting FOSS and the GPL say Red Hat, and any other company, are well with in their rights to have that clause.

And this causes people, who didn’t pay for RHEL, won’t pay for Rocky or Alma or any other clone to hate a company they never supported.

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#52

Post by mogwire »

mattl wrote: post #28
quocanh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that whole thing was a bit overblown. RHEL is free for individuals. When I need the stability of a server OS, I'd rather just use the real thing.

As I understand it, if you exercise your rights to distribute the RHEL source code, Red Hat may terminate your gratis license.

Correct because it’s free if you agree to the terms. Amazing concept.

It’s like if you let me in your house, let me use your stuff, and then you ask me not to break something and then I break something and you kick me out and I get upset.

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#53

Post by bryanlarsen »

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #46
Andrex wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora Silverblue might be the best of both world for you maybe? I'd look into it at least. :)

If you want to do Fedora Silverblue + nixpkgs, then the steps are a bit more complex that any other environment because of the immutable / requiring `chattr -i /` and some `semanage fcontext` action in the `/nix` bind mountpoint to get things working. In theory you can use the special nixStatic build of `nix` and it should just work with unprivileged user namespaces but in my experiences with Silverblue you just get…

Bazzite is a silverblue spin that sets up nix for you, among many other things.

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#54

Post by ranger207 »

csdvrx wrote: post #8
jasoneckert wrote: post #6

Fedora has been my choice of distribution since it was first released two decades ago. What many don't realize is that the Fedora project is much more than just the Fedora Linux distribution - it is a large and vibrant community of contributors and users with 4 strong values: Freedom, Friends, Features, and First (this last one is why Fedora is often touted as being the first Linux distribution to mainstream radical…

> and First Isn't that arch? > mainstream radical new features like Wayland Even if you qualify "First" with "mainstream", I think there might be more Steam Decks (running an arch variant) than Fedora installs :)

Arch may have packages first but generally Fedora will have its packages integrated first; ie, if package A and package B release new versions to work with each other, then Arch may have the new versions first, but when Fedora releases the new versions then they'll be configured to work together, while Arch's packages may take a little longer for them to be configured appropriately

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#55

Post by darthrupert »

rickstanley wrote: post #29
jadbox wrote: post #3

Fedora 39 KDE Spin has been flawless so far, and I love the window tiling native support. Also, suspend on Nvidia works again for me.. not sure if it's related or driver release coincidence.

For me unfortunately the spin has been broken: when trying to login into KDE Plasma Wayland session, I see a frozen image of my laptop's vendor logo (Dell) or the last "black screen image available" (like the underline cursor in top-left corner). The session works if I login through another tty (F2 or any other F key) and type `startplasma-wayland`, but not through SDDM. X11 works fine too. It's just the transition f…

Yep, this is the kind of stuff I see with KDE all the time. I find it weird that people praise it for stability.

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

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Post by worthless-trash »

mogwire wrote: post #51
ungamedplayer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link to where this was said by rh?

It’s in the EULA. They don’t deny it and it’s their right. The problem is RMS and all the people supporting FOSS and the GPL say Red Hat, and any other company, are well with in their rights to have that clause. And this causes people, who didn’t pay for RHEL, won’t pay for Rocky or Alma or any other clone to hate a company they never supported.

https://www.redhat.com/licenses/Red_Hat_GPLv2-Based_EULA_201...

Are you sure ?

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#57

Post by SubjectToChange »

Andrex wrote: post #43
senectus1 wrote: post #21

Very happy gaming Fedora users here... But I did watch a video on NixOS and the nerdy hacker in me really wants to play with that concept... I might have to run up some VM's for it maybe.

Fedora Silverblue might be the best of both world for you maybe? I'd look into it at least. :)

I found Silverblue to be quite frustrating, perhaps I should take more time to learn it. IMO, Guix/Nix offer superior solutions.

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

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Post by hollerith »

Zetaphor wrote: post #47
theodric wrote: post #32

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After 23 years, I got fed up with Debian's many idiosyncrasies/breakage and decided to try Fedora. It's been a breath of fresh air, and I've been pleasantly surprised how much of the stuff I want which required fiddling or compiling in Debian is just in the repos on Fedora. Unfortunately, unless they've fixed all the bugs that were keeping me off Wayland in F38, I won't be migrating to the reportedly Xorgless F39. Be…

They're not removing Xorg, they're just making it no longer the default. You're still free to use it though it's getting no official support because Xorg is dead.

When you logged into a fresh install of Fedora 34, you got a wayland session. To get an X11 session, you needed to choose it in a pull-down menu on the login screen.

I.e., It's been at least 2.5 years since Xorg has "been the default".

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

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Post by mogwire »

worthless-trash wrote: post #56
mogwire wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s in the EULA. They don’t deny it and it’s their right. The problem is RMS and all the people supporting FOSS and the GPL say Red Hat, and any other company, are well with in their rights to have that clause. And this causes people, who didn’t pay for RHEL, won’t pay for Rocky or Alma or any other clone to hate a company they never supported.

https://www.redhat.com/licenses/Red_Hat_GPLv2-Based_EULA_201... Are you sure ?

https://www.redhat.com/licenses/Appendix_1_Global_English_20...

Unauthorized Use of Subscription Services. Any unauthorized use of the Subscription Services is a material breach of the Agreement.

Unauthorized use of the Subscription Services includes: [...] (d) using Subscription Services in connection with any redistribution of Software

Re: Fedora Workstation 39

#60

Post by xedrac »

SubjectToChange wrote: post #57
Andrex wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora Silverblue might be the best of both world for you maybe? I'd look into it at least. :)

I found Silverblue to be quite frustrating, perhaps I should take more time to learn it. IMO, Guix/Nix offer superior solutions.

The problem I have with Nix is that it adds a lot of abstraction/complexity on top of everything. This is fine for power users, but I don't see it ever being used by anyone else. Silverblue also imposes some additional complexity, but it's way closer to vanilla Linux than Nix is, and I believe the usability aspect of it is limited mostly by flatpak. I have used both quite substantially, and they both are good solutions. I love how easily I can reproduce my system in Nix from just a config file, and the ability to nix copy (with the entire dependency tree) to another Nix system is awesome. But I personally think Silverblue is an easier sell to most people.
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