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Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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American companies often think that European unions are just stronger than unions in Europe. They don't realize that labor and union laws are different. Toys R Us tried the same in Sweden. They initially refused agreement and hired only non-union workers. But transport and logistics workers union and finance union started sympathy strike. Toys R Us didn't get deliveries and bank workers refused work related to compan…

Want to share my reply to a comment reply here that was deleted, which called this “crazy”:

It’s not crazy. It’s a very effective way of balancing the power dynamics between corporations and workers. What’s crazy is not having these rights enshrined in law. Why should the government tell workers how they can or cannot strike?

This way of doing it gets you one thing that some Americans dream of: no federal mandated universal minimum wage. I mean think about it… a universal federal minimum wage is a ridiculous idea. It’s never going to be a good level for all industries.

But if you’re going to make minimum wage something that workers and corporations can just settle between themselves, you have to give the workers real power. Not make national laws that give corporations the right to make contracts that make their workers slaves to their employers.

Some American think this is socialism. I’d argue that it’s just good capitalism that ensures healthy (labour) market dynamics. Same as how you want regulations that discourage the formation of monopolies.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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One of those is a business decision about what to do with their private property the other is an external actor demanding what you do with your private property.

One is a business decision, the other one is people exercising their rights.

People don't have rights over others private property that's the of the basis of human rights.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Not necessarily. They protect exploitation of the some of the workers, but often bring about abuse and host of other problems.

Please remember that unions in Sweden aren't the same as unions in the US.

Can you explain how they differ?

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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It may sound crazy, but European union laws explicitly allow this.

Welcome to the Anglo Internet, where we as a knee-jerk reaction equate worker power with illegality and organized crime! [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38192473

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Unions are a good thing, definately right now when the competition from "slave owners" in eastern Europe, China etc will exploit workers and outrun competition that way. For Tesla, with China's export of electric vehicle it would be a good thing to "set the bar" and prevent low cost workers from entering the market - hence securing Tesla's position in Sweden. And that's what the "Swedish model" of working is all abou…

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Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Not necessarily. They protect exploitation of the some of the workers, but often bring about abuse and host of other problems.

Please remember that unions in Sweden aren't the same as unions in the US.

I understand the feeling of Aborsy; in another European country (France) Unions are a non-elected political force that seizes power by force in a factory / company.

Once they have established their power, they do anything they can to impose their law on other workers and collect money from both the owners, and the other employees.

And to be considered part of the group, you have to pay an annual membership to them in order to get “protected”.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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One is a business decision, the other one is people exercising their rights.

People don't have rights over others private property that's the of the basis of human rights.

Yes, but people still have the right to say "Pay us $X and ensure safe working conditions or we strike" Tesla can either withdraw or negotiate. Nobody's right is infringed here, it's just free market. Especially as usually the workers have it worse than companies.
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