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Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Yep the infamous “Running W” stunt. Tarantino’s talked about that quite a bit. Obviously the horse breaks its leg and then has to be put down. Pretty vile. So every take they’d end up killing a horse.

> So every take they’d end up killing a horse. Horrible, but maybe not as expensive as it sounds, cgi of similar quality costs much more than a horse.

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Disney is an extreme offender here (I mean, dropping lemmings off a cliff, what where they thinking?), but I hear some of what we "know" about animals is sometimes an honest mistake and may be the result of an involuntary artifacts of researcher involvement. Don't know if it's true, but a couple of examples I've read: It's not true that wolves live in "packs" and that there are alpha and beta males. In truth wolves f…

Yes, the Alpha Wolf myth appears to be a very damaging slice of b.s. https://phys.org/news/2021-04-wolf-dont-alpha-males-females....

What is very damaging about it? Beyond facilitating A/B/O fan fiction, of course.

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In westerns they would tie cables to horses' legs at the right length so that they would fall in the right place as if they had been shot.

Yep the infamous “Running W” stunt. Tarantino’s talked about that quite a bit. Obviously the horse breaks its leg and then has to be put down. Pretty vile. So every take they’d end up killing a horse.

I was interested and based on this https://truewestmagazine.com/animal-cruelty-in-movies/ It seems that it wouldn't cripple a horse when "done right". Problem is that it seems a lot of stunt unit director didn't do it right.

Interesting aside about Errol Flynn raising the issue of animal cruelty.

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Yes, the Alpha Wolf myth appears to be a very damaging slice of b.s. https://phys.org/news/2021-04-wolf-dont-alpha-males-females....

What is very damaging about it? Beyond facilitating A/B/O fan fiction, of course.

That people (usually males) believe this fanfiction also applies to human society and change their behaviours to be perceived as alpha

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Yep the infamous “Running W” stunt. Tarantino’s talked about that quite a bit. Obviously the horse breaks its leg and then has to be put down. Pretty vile. So every take they’d end up killing a horse.

> So every take they’d end up killing a horse. Horrible, but maybe not as expensive as it sounds, cgi of similar quality costs much more than a horse.

I don’t think people are expressing incredulity at the expense here!

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Yep the infamous “Running W” stunt. Tarantino’s talked about that quite a bit. Obviously the horse breaks its leg and then has to be put down. Pretty vile. So every take they’d end up killing a horse.

> So every take they’d end up killing a horse. Horrible, but maybe not as expensive as it sounds, cgi of similar quality costs much more than a horse.

Not even close, a horse costs as much as a car.

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Maybe I'm wrong but I read that to mean that if they get completely soaked in extreme winter weather, they'll die. This doesn't seem so bizarre. Some animals, both mammals and birds, have some protection against this because their hair/feathers are both greasy and help them keep "air cushions" that prevent water from completely soaking the body -- but if that ever happens in cold weather the animal is as good as dead…

Animals used to the winter survives being wet, at least large ones like moose, they fall through the ice from time to time and people help them up. Maybe lemmings are so small that it wasn't worth evolving it, but it seems like a big handicap since most animals needs to drink regularly even in the winter.

Large ones have more heat reserve due to square-cube law: surface area increases less with volume.

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> So every take they’d end up killing a horse. Horrible, but maybe not as expensive as it sounds, cgi of similar quality costs much more than a horse.

Not even close, a horse costs as much as a car.

No it doesn't, it costs a few thousand dollars. Even if you killed a horse every minute in an hour long episode it would just be in the six figures, which isn't much for special effects heavy tv-show today.

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> So every take they’d end up killing a horse. Horrible, but maybe not as expensive as it sounds, cgi of similar quality costs much more than a horse.

I don’t think people are expressing incredulity at the expense here!

I know. And I think it is interesting to look at how much that costs compared to what we do today. It surprised me that animals aren't that expensive, I would have guessed that killing horses would be way more expensive.
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