Not really related, but one can always use a VPN with exit node in Russia instead of ad blocker. It still puzzles me what was their motivation to disable ads in Russia after the conflict began.
YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
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Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#52It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…
As it has been framed before, it’s like the lemonade stand put all the other stands out of business by handing out free lemonade.
No one else wants to run a lemonade stand because they can see customers do not want to pay for lemondade.
See the Vid.me rise and fall illustrates this perfectly. Their closing letter to users even says in so many words "Ya'll don't want to pay, so how can we stay open?"
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just pay the $15 a month to not get ads. The content is worth way more than that to me. I wish they would stop censoring stuff (like raw news, firearms learning channels, etc). Content warnings over just taking the videos down would be much preferred. That's really my only gripe.
I also pay to avoid ads AND support the creators i watch as they make more per my paid view then an ad supported view.
>support the creators i watch as they make more per my paid view then an ad supported view.
I didn't know that. Good to know, thanks!
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#54It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…
Well, you can't pay for Youtube. You can pay for a bundle of some mostly unrelated products that's named Youtube Premium, or you can live with an insanely degraded product experience on Youtube, but you can't pay for Youtube.
Can you elaborate? It seems like you're just being pedantic about what it means to "pay for YouTube".
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#55I'm happy to pay for services and a Ad free YT experience.
Same. I keep seeing the discourse recently and it’s all framed as if only two options exist: People can use ad blockers, or Google can block them and annoy people. There is a very good third option for people: pay for the (expensive due to bandwidth) service you’re using and you see no ads. And Google won’t block it because it’s encouraged as the solution to this exact issue. The level of “I should get everything for…
No, we had a nice middle ground for a very long time. I could use ad blockers to block most bullshit across the internet, but YT would still play an ad before a video. I might have to wait 5 seconds to skip an ad before it's finished, and maybe after doing that a couple of times, it would force me to watch a 15-second ad in full before playing the video. Hell, do that enough and you'll have to sit there for 30 seconds next time.
I could live with that. I tolerated it, happily. Right up until last week when YouTube rolled this shit out to me and said, "Nope, fuck your adblocker," and decided to show me nothing entirely.
I met them halfway, I put up with a hybrid approach for years, and they still, in spite of posting net profit, decided that wasn't enough. Nope, fuck that, I'm out - Invidious it is.
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same. I keep seeing the discourse recently and it’s all framed as if only two options exist: People can use ad blockers, or Google can block them and annoy people. There is a very good third option for people: pay for the (expensive due to bandwidth) service you’re using and you see no ads. And Google won’t block it because it’s encouraged as the solution to this exact issue. The level of “I should get everything for…
Same here. I pay for YT Premium. I never knew this war was waging on. You click a video and it starts playing. A few days ago someone wanted to show me a video on their iPad. The video was ~10 mins long. We had to watch 2 pre-roll ads, and 2 mid-roll ads. After the second mid-roll ad I asked if this is normal. She said "of course it is, what do you mean?" as if I was living on another planet. But I had been paying fo…
So one thing I am curious about -- as someone who pays for YouTube but doesn't use an ad blocker -- is what the experience is for people who do both [since ads are on places besides YouTube].
Do you get blocked from the service you're paying for, or do you not even notice the ongoing war?
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#57It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…
As another has said: we have a problem with dumping With giving youtube for free for long, to reduce the possibilities of other platforms, and then charging, when your library is "unbeatable"
except it hasn't be free for a very long time? its had ads for at least 10+ years and youtube premium for 8 now
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#58It's amazing to me how Google is allowed to control every side of the market with no real repercussions. I don't want to be the cynic who says Google has been paying lots of money to "the right people" in order to keep the status quo, but.. Google has been paying lots of money.. That might be a moderate huge win for Firefox.. until someone at Google makes a phone call to Mozilla's offices. Worst case scenario it help…
Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?
I think it's reasonable to be frustrated with a free-then-not-so-free bait-and-switch [1]. Ads in YouTube used to be fairly unobtrusive bottom banners or one-off pre-roll spots. But they've gotten longer and more intrusive since. It's understandable for a business to need to make money. But there will absolutely be pushback if they do so by offering something great "for free" then ratcheting up the cost over time. People appreciate honest pricing and setting expectations properly from the get-go, but that goes against the Silicon Valley playbook of growth-at-all-costs-and-monetize-later.
[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/13/156737801/the-...
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#59It's amazing to me how Google is allowed to control every side of the market with no real repercussions. I don't want to be the cynic who says Google has been paying lots of money to "the right people" in order to keep the status quo, but.. Google has been paying lots of money.. That might be a moderate huge win for Firefox.. until someone at Google makes a phone call to Mozilla's offices. Worst case scenario it help…
Why are you consuming any YT videos, then? Why are so many people feel entitled to YT videos without ads?
No one is entitled to YT videos without ads.
But at the same time, Google is not entitled to dictate how my user agent renders a page, locally, on my own computer.
I'd have no problem if google just inject ads directly into the video streams. ( by which time, equally I'm entitled to configure my own video player to skip whichever frames I want )
Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same. I keep seeing the discourse recently and it’s all framed as if only two options exist: People can use ad blockers, or Google can block them and annoy people. There is a very good third option for people: pay for the (expensive due to bandwidth) service you’re using and you see no ads. And Google won’t block it because it’s encouraged as the solution to this exact issue. The level of “I should get everything for…
> People can use ad blockers, or Google can block them and annoy people. Thing is, we're still getting ads because AG1, NordVPN, Guardio and similar services/products of questionable nature keep throwing tens of thousands of dollars at youtubers to insert 1-2 minutes of sponsor blocks. > There is a very good third option for people: pay for the (expensive due to bandwidth) service you’re using and you see no ads. So…
Then don't watch those YouTubers.