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Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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Ukv wrote: post #43
jug wrote: post #25

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May sound ridiculous but still needs to be done to protect their identity from less reputable ripoffs that may otherwise just intentionally and exactly clone the design.

To my understanding, trademark law should already "protect their identity" by preventing use of their logo, and copyright law would already prohibit an "intentional and exact clone". A patent differs in that it counts as infringement even if you can prove you came up with it totally independently, having never seen Apple's particular glass cube. With the large caveat that I'm not an expert on IP law, I do feel like a…

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Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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bastard_op wrote: post #46
geon wrote: post #8

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The US patent system is a joke. Patents are basically granted for anything, and are expected to be resolved in courts.

The patent offices are likely just used to seeing a steady stream of crap from Apple that is so wacky they just accept it as part of their charm whether from a dead man or not. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple has partners (or their own) planted in the same building to coincidentally wine and dine the patent office execs regularly like lobbyists. There is obviously a well paid set of folks that just file random crap…

The patent system has to be reformed completely in any case. If you're an innovative company, no matter the size, you have to file as many claims as possible so that you have counter patents to throw at your opponent, which makes the problem with patents worse for everyone because of the low-quality noise. If you're a small company, you have to be really diligent in your patent search because the risk of getting sued by legitimate patent holders or patent trolls is very high, made worse by the fact that the US system allows trivial software patents. If you're any kind of inventor, you have to either file a patent and risk that China will just outright steal your invention, or you do not file a patent in the hope it will take the competition long enough to reverse engineer and bring to market.

Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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Post by pfannkuchen »

mschuster91 wrote: post #52
bastard_op wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The patent offices are likely just used to seeing a steady stream of crap from Apple that is so wacky they just accept it as part of their charm whether from a dead man or not. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple has partners (or their own) planted in the same building to coincidentally wine and dine the patent office execs regularly like lobbyists. There is obviously a well paid set of folks that just file random crap…

The patent system has to be reformed completely in any case. If you're an innovative company, no matter the size, you have to file as many claims as possible so that you have counter patents to throw at your opponent, which makes the problem with patents worse for everyone because of the low-quality noise. If you're a small company, you have to be really diligent in your patent search because the risk of getting sued…

> file a patent and risk that China will just outright steal your invention

As in they notice that the patent was filed and copy it before you launch? Isn’t the system noisy enough that this would be really hard for them to do well?

Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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Post by rchaud »

kwanbix wrote: post #47
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

> The last patent Jobs applied for was the dramatic glass cube for the entrance to the Apple store on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, New York A patent for a glass cube! https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/28/89/c3/fd8ac1d...

Absolutely ridiculous.

Patently absurd, even

Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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Post by mschuster91 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #53
mschuster91 wrote: post #52

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The patent system has to be reformed completely in any case. If you're an innovative company, no matter the size, you have to file as many claims as possible so that you have counter patents to throw at your opponent, which makes the problem with patents worse for everyone because of the low-quality noise. If you're a small company, you have to be really diligent in your patent search because the risk of getting sued…

> file a patent and risk that China will just outright steal your invention As in they notice that the patent was filed and copy it before you launch? Isn’t the system noisy enough that this would be really hard for them to do well?

> Isn’t the system noisy enough that this would be really hard for them to do well?

China has more than enough people to throw at a problem that's very easy to parallelize, and a culture that doesn't give a fuck about Western ideas of intellectual property ("gongkai" [1]).

And yet, our politicians seem to be happy to deliver our IP, our jobs, everything to a nation that's at least hostile towards us, on a silver platter.

(Note that I actually prefer the way of gongkai, but unfortunately it'd destroy our economic models so I see no way of reform in that direction ever happening -.-)

[1] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297

Re: New Apple patents have Steve Jobs credited as an inventor

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Post by saturn8601 »

avar wrote: post #34
saturn8601 wrote: post #15

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Yup! BMW 750iL In Tomorrow Never Dies(1997) [1]: https://youtu.be/gBcOBWq8J6w?t=36 On another note, I find that LCD screen and color pallet they used in the phone cooler looking than the dull flat design muck I am used to seeing everywhere. They basically took those old Green monochrome LCDs and acted as if those screens were naturally going to evolve into some sort of el type display as the next generation. They did…

The phone in Tomorrow Never Dies does have full color HD streaming video from the car as it's remote controlled, look at your own link (and the one pointed out by a sibling comment). The monochrome green UI is just what you see on start-up. Secondly, the Bond movies are set in the modern day (or close enough). So unlike say 2001 A Space Oddesey the gadgets Q comes up with aren't an attempt to foresee technology devel…

Yes you raise a good point. I need to stop commenting when I am running on fumes after a long 16 hr day. If I had just played 5 more second of video I'd have been reminded of the video camera feature of the phone. Still, I am nostalgic for old school displays like that.
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