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Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by tptacek »

echelon wrote: post #32
cldellow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vercel's terms are at https://vercel.com/legal/terms . A handful of possible violations from section 6, Acceptable Use: - The Services may only be used for lawful purposes. - You shall not attempt to undermine the security or integrity of computing systems or networks of Vercel, its partners, or any other person, and must not attempt to gain unauthorized access. - You may not use the services or Vercel's infrastructu…

> - The final decision of whether an account is in violation of any of these acceptable use terms is at the sole discretion of Vercel. Seems like it's not safe to host on Vercel, then. They're giving themselves absolute control with zero recourse. Looks like you're opted into arbitration too. Classic hostile, anti-consumer behavior. Don't they know who they exist to serve?

Every mainstream cloud platform has substantially the same term in their user agreement, including the big hyperscalers. Abuse is a constant challenge for cloud providers; it would be an untenable problem if abusers had legal recourse to account closure.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by thefascistleft »

silenced_trope wrote: post #41
hipadev23 wrote: post #28

When are people gonna learn you need to keep domain ownership, DNS, and where you host your website fully separate.

I'm not sure if anyone actually does this despite your claim. Most people who go AWS for hosting, also use their domain/DNS services. Likewise for the others.

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Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by unraveller »

ajkjk wrote: post #10

The top reply is from Vercel: > Hey Thomas. Your paywall-bypassing site broke our ToS and created hundreds of hours of support time spent on all the outreach from the impacted businesses. > Our support team reached out to you on Oct 14th to let you know this was unsustainable and to try to work with you. The poster immediately misunderstood them and thought the hundreds of hours were for talking to him . But they als…

If Vercel is working for the "impacted businesses" so much then why aren't they charging them for the hours worked entrenching their market position and busting their business model critics? Why send the bill for that time to him if it's not in ultimate service of him? He rightly sees through their incorrect billing stance. Seems like Vercel takes sides in every industry so you better hope your business has no impact on any other if you go with them.

We need little guys out there correcting the record of these "elusive content" publishers trying to claim exclusive access is all they offer when moments before it was available for free to anyone listening. He just proves they value bot access more than human audience. Maybe he does to, maybe he only wants bots to access his website. Vercel says no, only big business can get away with that freedom to choose one's audience makeup.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by Mandatum »

jsnell wrote: post #46
Mandatum wrote: post #26

I wonder if this is the first time the author has heard from Vercel. I suspect Vercel never wanted to host this persons content given the amount of legal requests they likely had to deal with. It probably would have been better business from Vercel to reach out and say, “Hey, it costs us too much money in legal fees dealing with your content. We’re not Amazon. Can you move somewhere else?” Asking the question and not…

According to the thread the author was given two weeks notice by Vercel.

Sure, but 12ft has been around for years. They’ve likely spent hundreds of hours answering copyright and legal questions and inquiries.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by xp84 »

apitman wrote: post #44
onion2k wrote: post #2

It's understandable to ban the site given it does break Vercel's terms, but the allegation that Vercel hasn't let the owner transfer the domain away is a serious concern. Removing a customer is always hard but you have to do it in a way that ends in a clean break between your business and the customer. Keeping a domain fails to achieve that in a big way.

This is why you shouldn't combine your registrar with whatever services you have your domains pointed at. Domains should be delegated to services using a simple OAuth2 protocol. DomainConnect is technically close but very corporate and not good for self-hosted services.

> Domains should be delegated to services using a simple OAuth2 protocol

Maybe i'm missing something, but why not do this using simple DNS? Nameservers at the registrar, or nameservers at some simple dns-only thing, and point hostnames to whatever you want at the moment.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by kadoban »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #35
asadm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not completely, at the same time

Yes, completely. If you lack any of these things you are shut down completely

It's typically a lot easier to recover from the loss of one of those than all of them at once.

Re: 12ft.io has been banned by Vercel

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Post by raxi »

It is online at 1ft.io

I read that from recent magnolia commits, it falls back to {12,1}ft for some websites (apparently, some techniques cannot be done on client-side, perhaps, they require proxies in particular countries or google network to impersonate googlebot better)

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