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LoL, yeah good luck with that.
From my experiences working for American companies, this is typical behaviour where an American company doesn't (yet) realise the things that got them ahead in the U.S.A. won't necessarily work — or even be legal or accepted — in Europe.
They'll learn ;)
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Alternatively, let's just pay people a living wage and offer them safe working conditions. Unions are not the problem here, it's the working conditions. Unions form as a reaction to working conditions / terms. If there wasn't a problem, there wouldn't be a union.
Is the Swedish economy not doing well? Why can't the workers switch to companies that offer better working conditions?
From a previous discussion: https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2021/09/21/when-mcdonal...
“Truckers refused to deliver food and beer to McDonalds.“ Beer?
Actually, in Spain you can even get gluten-free beer if you so desire! (https://mcdonalds.es/productos/bebidas/cerveza-sin-gluten)
In DACH countries you have to make do with Red Bull instead.
I suppose Swedish Tesla workers have the same beneficial stock buying agreement that other countries have. No more of that if they are unionized.
To cite Ellen Ripley: I don't know which species is worse, but I'm sure they wont let themselves get killed forba percentage". And not everyone, especially outside the US, is willing to do so neither.
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Tesla is not doing anything illegal as far as I understand. Looks like there is an expectation that Tesla behaves in a certain way in Sweden because " that's way we've always done it " but that's not in law. Tesla is sticking to the law, as far as I understand. I'm a bit uncomfortable about companies being criticised for sticking to the law. Of course, if workes and unions disagree they can also use their legal right…
Companies are totally entitled to stick to the law, but they also need to then deal with the fact that narrow compliance with the law might bring them into conflict with parts of society (who in turn might stick to the law in dealing with them). That said, we already have determined that generally just "sticking to the law" isn't a great defense in all situations anyway.
Now, as mentioned, in business other parties can also use their legal rights to bring about negotiations, but let's not depict Tesla as horrible for simply staying within the law...
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Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.
> What will stop him? Migrationsverket - who get off on deporting foreign skilled workers at any opportunity. Seriously they will deport people for minor administrative mistakes made by the employer even if it was years ago and has been remediated. https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsay/2019/02/13/why-swed...
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> Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Other unions blackballing Tesla, and getting it fired as a customer. Good luck building cars when you can’t buy parts, or electricity. That would also have a high chance of escalating the issue from a labor dispute to a legal and political concern.
> Good luck building cars Tesla doesn't build cars in Sweden. And Sweden accounts for a whopping 3% of Tesla's worldwide sales.
It's understandable that swedish language sources don't know this, but the English word for 'strikebreakers' is 'scabs.'
In the UK a 'scab' is usually a pejorative term for someone who does not strike, which is not the same as a strikebreaker.
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Alternatively, let's just pay people a living wage and offer them safe working conditions. Unions are not the problem here, it's the working conditions. Unions form as a reaction to working conditions / terms. If there wasn't a problem, there wouldn't be a union.
Is the Swedish economy not doing well? Why can't the workers switch to companies that offer better working conditions?