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Why every microwave sucks these days

moth.monster

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Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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The best microwave I've ever used was probably from the early 80s. It was in my maternal grandparents' house.

The controls were two knobs. There were no other controls. No start button. No open-door button. Both knobs felt Very Serious. There was no spinny platter thing, but it didn't seem to really do any worse than the new ones with it—but it was easier to clean. It was pretty big for a microwave.

One knob was power. One knob was a timer. You turn the timer knob to start it. It physically ticks down until it dings (real bell, not a speaker) and stops. You pull the (heavy) handle on the door to open it. It's secured with (I suppose) one or more of those mechanisms where a flared tab goes between a pair of little wheels, so it's secure unless you pull fairly hard, no need for a release button.

It was still mounted in the exact same place and working just as well as it did in the 80s and 90s, when my grandma moved out to live with my parents in the 2010s.

I've seen a few kinda similar models on offer, but they're expensive and without feeling one in person I really doubt they're actually as good.

(A bunch of the finishes on their very-modest poor-rural-town house—outlet and switch cover plates, some of the trim, the front door, the storm doors of all things, and the doorbell, were all luxury-tier by modern standards—some of those, I've never seen anything as good on any house built since 1970 or so, and I've been in some "nice" ones; some stuff's simply gotten worse, and I tell you what, the solid feel and butter-smooth action of some of those things really did make life better)

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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The author had the incredibly genius idea of making a website that doesn't work on the most popular browser. Ridiculous.

I simply toggled off JS and kept reading

I decided I don't hate my microwave enough to bother, lol

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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Literally all those things are discoverable if you buy in a store. Edit: I maybe should have clarified "appliance store", rather than big box. But there are three appliance stores within ten miles of me that sell appliances. Not Home Depot, not Wal-Mart. Appliance stores. The refrigerators and ovens and microwaves are all plugged in and you can try any of them. The only thing you can't try is the gas ranges. This is…

Are they? Perhaps I'm out of touch with the brick and mortar experience. The majority of microwaves I've seen at my local department store are in a box, those few models that are on display are not powered. Even in the highly unusual case that they were powered or within proximity of a free power socket, I think it'd be rather unorthodox to go to the store and test drive a microwave with your instant ramen.

Yes, at appliances stores. Also though, at goodwill. Mine always has like 30+ microwaves and of course you can plug in and test.

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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I actually have one the the Panasonic microwaves whispered about at the end of the article, and it's been the best microwave I've ever owned. "Panasonic NNSC688S Mid-Size 1200W Inverter Microwave Oven, 1.3 Cuft, Black Stainless Steel" which Amazon sells for CAD$300, although I see one used is available for $180 - a steal, IMHO.

The key word in the description is "inverter". I am very much in the pro-inverter camp. In an inverter microwave, power is supplied through an inverter circuit to supply a steady and constant amount of power throughout the cooking time without cutting in and out. So if you select 50% power, the microwave will deliver 50% power throughout. Inverter microwaves are also more energy efficient than standard microwaves.

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

#56
How do we avoid this problem and sustain companies who make long-lasting products?

- Subscription service?

- Annual government funding?

- Annual private funding for "best product in category"?

Also how are some companies who make long-lasting tools which are apparently good quality (such as Lodge, PYREX, Patagonia) seemingly doing just fine?

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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As far as I'm concerned there is only one microwave on the market worth buying. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074RCGYLB ONE dial. One. Zero buttons. Perfect. It does not have a turntable, but it's never needed one.

Why doesn't it need a turntable?

Afaik models without turntables rotate the emitter instead.

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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I look forward to direct synthesis solid state microwave ovens. I want to actually get power control.

Inverter microwave ovens do PWM (which I guess doesn't sound as sexy as "Inverter"?) so you get much finer-grained power control than standard microwaves. Still they don't give you direct wattage control, which perhaps is what you're asking for. https://www.techlicious.com/review/microwave-ovens-with-inve...

Don't regular microwaves also do PWM? How's that different from just cycling on and off?

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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Correct

I don't understand why that is dramatically better than cycling? Isn't the overall energy input into the food roughly similar over time? It's not like microwaving gives great texture or browning to begin with?

The cycle time is too long for sensitive items like butter. Even at low power it will bubble over before it fully melts.

Re: Why every microwave sucks these days

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Instant Pot died primarily due to private equity greed, not because of Instant Pot reliability. In 2017, Cornell Capital bought the company for a total $500M of which $300M was financed by debt. Then 4 years later in 2021, it refinanced and added on debt, bringing the total debt to $535M. $245M was immediately paid out to shareholders as a dividend. Cornell Capital got paid back all the cash it invested in the compan…

What are the magic words these people use to get a bank to give them millions of dollars, let them walk off with it, then eat the loss?
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