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Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by justinsaccount »

CharlesW wrote: post #33
justinsaccount wrote: post #16

Is there a SIMPLE way to have a small python or go program act as a "switch" that shows up in Google home? The last time I tried looking at the matter stuff even checking out the git repo required gigabytes of storage and it seemed the opposite of simple.

> Is there a SIMPLE way to have a small python or go program act as a "switch" that shows up in Google home? You can create virtual devices using Homebridge plug-ins. Here's an example: https://www.npmjs.com/package/homebridge-dummy

Yes, that would be useful if I used homekit...

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by CharlesW »

justinsaccount wrote: post #51
CharlesW wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a SIMPLE way to have a small python or go program act as a "switch" that shows up in Google home? You can create virtual devices using Homebridge plug-ins. Here's an example: https://www.npmjs.com/package/homebridge-dummy

Yes, that would be useful if I used homekit...

You don’t need to use HomeKit for this to work, but you will need https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh. (Caveat: I haven’t tried this myself since I use HomeKit and Alexa devices.)

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by Shish2k »

Air purifiers and robot vacuums, but still no "power socket” device type??

(There is “binary switch”, which is what my Matter power sockets expose - but the measurements that I actually care about (total kWh, volts, amps, frequency, etc) are only exposed via the company’s proprietary app which runs in parallel “because there is no way of exposing these via Matter” :( )

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by justinsaccount »

CharlesW wrote: post #52
justinsaccount wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that would be useful if I used homekit...

You don’t need to use HomeKit for this to work, but you will need https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh . (Caveat: I haven’t tried this myself since I use HomeKit and Alexa devices.)

Oh, now that is interesting. The requirement for "insecure mode" is a bit scary sounding, but for what I want to control, it shouldn't matter.

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by justinsaccount »

CharlesW wrote: post #52
justinsaccount wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that would be useful if I used homekit...

You don’t need to use HomeKit for this to work, but you will need https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh . (Caveat: I haven’t tried this myself since I use HomeKit and Alexa devices.)

Oh.. less interesting how that I see how it works. I thought this would be a local thing, but it apparently connects to some third party service:

    // establish new websocket connection
    const socket = new WebSocket(`wss://homebridge-gsh.iot.oz.nu/socket?${querystring.stringify(qs)}`);
big YIKES from me there, especially because this is not really documented or even mentioned at all.

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by CharlesW »

justinsaccount wrote: post #55
CharlesW wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need to use HomeKit for this to work, but you will need https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh . (Caveat: I haven’t tried this myself since I use HomeKit and Alexa devices.)

Oh.. less interesting how that I see how it works. I thought this would be a local thing, but it apparently connects to some third party service: // establish new websocket connection const socket = new WebSocket(`wss://homebridge-gsh.iot.oz.nu/socket?${querystring.stringify(qs)}`); big YIKES from me there, especially because this is not really documented or even mentioned at all.

Ah shoot. Glad you caught that!

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by pkulak »

bradstewart wrote: post #48
pkulak wrote: post #21

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First Matter vacuum gets my business! I just bought a Matter thermostat on a whim (incentives took the price down to $10) and I'm really impressed. It integrated into Home Assistant in seconds after I scanned a QR code and now the local control is instant and flawless. My last thermostat could only integrate using a really complicated cloud auth process and commands only made it all the way to wherever and back to my…

Who makes the thermostat?

It's the new Nest one, which isn't ideal since my old Nest was the one I hated, but it's the only Matter one, so...

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by pkulak »

aksss wrote: post #49
pkulak wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First Matter vacuum gets my business! I just bought a Matter thermostat on a whim (incentives took the price down to $10) and I'm really impressed. It integrated into Home Assistant in seconds after I scanned a QR code and now the local control is instant and flawless. My last thermostat could only integrate using a really complicated cloud auth process and commands only made it all the way to wherever and back to my…

Which therm did you get? Does it also measure humidity?

The new Nest. Humidity is supported in the Google app, but not through Matter at the moment. No fan control either. I'm hoping that stuff gets added eventually, but I'll be fine even if not.

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by Shish2k »

woleium wrote: post #39
dataminded wrote: post #37

It is still very hard to find matter devices. We wanted recessed downlights and ended up with Zigbee. My air conditioner just died, would be great if a matter compatible one became available.

What did you pick? I’m looking at the moment..

I’ve been looking too, and the more research I do, the more it looks like the best idea is to get regular dimmable bulbs + zigbee dimmer switches - that’s generally going to be simpler and more reliable, the main downside being lack of any colour temperature / RGB support :(

Re: Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements

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Post by deadmutex »

dataminded wrote: post #37

It is still very hard to find matter devices. We wanted recessed downlights and ended up with Zigbee. My air conditioner just died, would be great if a matter compatible one became available.

> My air conditioner just died, would be great if a matter compatible one became available.

What would you want the API to look like here?

I would be very conservative about opening up an API if I was a manufacturer. The reason being that there may be misuses by amateur coders that may increase wear on the product, and leading to increase in warranty claims.

I, as a manufacturer, would much rather prefer customers buy something like a Nest/Ecobee, etc. and manage that. Nest (and likely Ecobee) likely have smarts to not turn the AC on/off 30 times within 10 minutes, etc. Also, you benefit from other algorithms like "Time-to-Temp" (Nest), malfunctioning equipment alerts (Nest), etc. If you're in the US, many electricity utilities will give you a discount if you buy a smart thermostat, and then you can further gain $$ by enrolling in demand-response programs.

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