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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

Like I wrote multiple times before here, I stopped having stability issues with the Raspberry Pi 2 and have had very few issues with SD cards.

I have Pis that have been running for 3+ years now (and that haven't been running longer because I upgraded them to Pi 3 or 4 boards, although they are performing the same jobs), and it's not just the OS either - I have Raspbian on the Pi 3 that runs my desktop touchscreen monitor (which controls all my lighting, and has an uptime of 167 days), and Ubuntu on my Homebridge/Zigbee gateway (which has an uptime of 61 days because I upgraded it before Summer, but has been running for nearly 2 years now).

If you need more CPU power, the RK3588 boards (as long as they have proper Armbian support) are decent bets, but at that point an Intel N100 might be more interesting since those CPUs can average below 10W on light load and will boost to better overall performance. Yes, they will be more expensive, but the going rate is 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for less than $200, so...

But if you want something that just works _forever_ at under 5W mean load, the Pi 4 is still it. And you can boot it off an USB SSD to great effect (I have a Proxmox instance running that way).

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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I wonder if the RPi5 is finally enough for browsing the web and watching media without hiccups. My experience with RPi4 was too sluggish.

Not saying this applies, but: The speed of the raspberry pi goes up dramatically when using a fast USB disk instead of micro SD. Most people start with a micro SD, and I had no idea how much faster a Pi could go.

my 2¢: if external storage is not an option for some reason, dropping ext4 in favor for F2FS will do a lot of good for sparing your sdcard from early death (due to superblock updates happening every so often), if not for performance due to ext4 not being flash-aware by design.

If that's not an option AND your setup has no power issues (e.g. it has good power supply, externally powered usb hub etc), disabling journalling might also improve performance: tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/sdaXXX (can't do it on mounted fs, so either do it from initram consolee, do pivot_root to minimal fs in ram, or do it from another machine)

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

This is such an out of touch comment. Not every, definitely not a majority, hobbyist spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. You sound like a rich kid who doesn’t understand $8 milk is expensive.

No one is suggesting people ought to spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. The point is that the difference between an $80 computer and a $120 computer (for example) is not going to break any hobbiest in 2023. I'm trying to figure out why anyone wants to pretend that that kind of difference is a big deal, and why it always manifests in Raspberry Pi conversations. It's weird.

> edgyquant

Haha.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

Like I said in another thread, I use a rpi zero2 as the backup of a VPS so I can program on it with my iPad even no internet is available. The reasons I use it is that:

1. You can configure the zero2 so that when it is connected to the iPad with a usb cable, 2 machine will construct an ethernet over usb and you can mosh from iPad to zero2 without any external network. zero2 also get both the data and power from a single usb cable

2. zero2 is cheap to replace. Micro sd card is cheap and easy to be cloned. You don't worry about software or hardware loss.

3. zero2 is actually quite usable in headless/ssh mode. I used to do the same thing on zero1 and it's a little bit sluggish.

I actually have my entire setup stored in a mint tin box.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Lots of people buy these on a finite hobby budget.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

> I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberry Pi threads.

Usually an SBC is just one item on a project's part list. If I can get one that's equally suitable and 20 Euro less, that's another bunch of sensors, or another smart light, or a few additional PCBs, or a spool of filament, or another display, or other peripheral, or another filter for my photography kit.

> Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?"

People in that kind of situation will probably not be looking at a Pi 5 for a hobby project. A lot of people are better off than that and still not in a place where a hundred dollars here and there isn't even worth thinking about. I try to limit hobby expenses because that allows me to have more projects and play with more things without cutting into anything more important.

> Hobbyists spent, at times, thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars on microcomputers in the eighties, and that was real money back then. Even the quaint ZX whatevers that were sold in Europe were, in inflation-adjusted terms, much more expensive than a Pi.

At least for the things I do, that's a wildly inaccurate comparison. A Pi is more like a drop-in part like an electrical component would have been back in the 80s, and most hobbyists would not have paid thousands for a specialized diode or the like, and most wouldn't have bought another personal computer for a new project. The closest analog to a proper computer back then would be my laptop, and I did pay "real money" for that. I don't buy Pis as standalone personal computing devices, they're for automation that I can't or don't want to fit on a microcontroller. Two Pi 4s are running Home Assistant deployments, another (zero W) is driving an e-ink info screen, one Pi 3-something sits inside a half-assembled robotics kit, I had another 3-something running OctoPrint until recently. If I had to pay "real money" for any of those, I'd just do without.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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That has more to do with the web ecosystem than the Raspberry Pi hardware.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

How is MicroSD weird? A microSD card 1) is available at Officeworks etc, and 2) doesn't require soldering so imaging the OS can be done before your RasPi even arrives on your Windows/Mac computer.

In contrast eMMC is soldered onto the board, while the m.2 didn't even exist back in 2012 when the first RasPi launched.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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For weeks Microcenter (in the US) listed them as available 23 October. When I checked yesterday I see "Available on Nov 03,2023".[0] I wonder why that is.

[0] The test on the page looks like "AVAILABLE" and copies as " Available on Nov 03,2023 "

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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post #36

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I've used Pi's dating back to the first one (even had one from the first batch manually packaged up by Eben and co). They're good, but arent without their issues. Power management has been a consistent problem with every single Pi. That combined with the Raspberry Pi Trading Co's behaviour over the last couple of years made me move to alternatives. Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc that is capable of…

I'm with you on this. I have the Pi Zero W and Pi Zero 2 W. These are IMO the ideal devices in their lineup. Maybe I'm just nostalgic for when computers had limitations but I love them. I have the old one running PiHole, (so DNS stays up if I reboot my server) and the other doing monitoring. I've had zero problems doing everything over wifi, and actually being wifi is a benefit for my internet monitoring since wifi going down on my mandatory AT&T router wouldn't be captured by an ethernet connected device.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people buy these on a finite hobby budget.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

Some people really don't have a lot of disposable income. Are you saying we should just stop thinking about making products accessible to those people? You seem to think that these rich "hobbyists" make up the entire population, but I'd bet there were at least ten families in the US who couldn't afford a computer for every "hobbyist" that bought one. What a bunch of elitist gate-keeping nonsense.

These low-cost SBCs are often viewed as a gateway product for introducing people to technology they wouldn't otherwise have access to - a system that could be a serviceable PC or launchpad for hobby electronics. The hobbyists you mention, apparently flush with cash and not a care in the world, aren't the people who need the price break. It's low income families with kids that need access to resources that might lead to a better future.

Not to mention that a Raspberry Pi is an embeddable system. It might be a small part of a much larger project, so even a low price might be hard to justify.

But no, let's keep making everything expensive so that computers and technology careers are only accessible to families that already have wealth. We, the Hobbyists of lore, can strut about the city square in our wearable devices and augmented reality headsets while the dirty street urchins scramble behind us, hoping for a fallen scrap, a loose semiconductor or relay they can take home to their families so they might afford little Timmy's leg surgery...

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