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Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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The official version spread by the propaganda is that his lawyers did not only what lawyers should do, but also helped him pass letters from the jail to the outside world and thus control his "terrorist" organization (Anti-Corruption Foundation). This counts as complicity and direct participation in the deeds of a "terrorist" organization.

I'm surprised he was able to make such statements for this long. I genuinely wonder why his captors even continue to let him live, when it seems like any post-2022 civil protest in Russia can and will be brutally repressed.

If he was making such statements (I'm not following this), does that mean that his lawyers were indeed being used by him to pass letters and that this is not propaganda?

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Yeah, that’s downright revolting. Not surprising I guess, but still. Now there’s this white haired journalist that’s currently rotting in a British jail because of his work…

Piers Morgan, Boris Johnson and Andy Coulson were journalists too for as much as that's worth.

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How much popular support does Navalny have in Russia? (I realize Russia is a banana republic and Navalny is a hero but does he actually represent something that has wide support in Russia? From the few Russians I have talked to, they seems supportive of Putin despite everything.)

He is largely irrelevant now. He was significantly popular, but there is a combination of:

1. Many of his most fervent followers fleeing the country in February or September 2022.

2. His team being useless and consisting of people of very questionable loyalty (the question remains why he let them all in), and in many cases under their own brands.

3. Overall switch from the anti-corruption discourse towards different set of topics, such as war, etc - where he does not have much relevance.

4. Him being AFK (not to blame him for that).

5. His organization FBK now resides abroad, burning grant money and not doing anything useful for Russian residents.

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I have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.

You do know his political stance, right? https://twitter.com/krides/status/1509841011295592450 Do you also have huge respect for Prigozhin for flying back to Moscow after agreeing to stop the revolt? Same energy.

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How much popular support does Navalny have in Russia? (I realize Russia is a banana republic and Navalny is a hero but does he actually represent something that has wide support in Russia? From the few Russians I have talked to, they seems supportive of Putin despite everything.)

One poll from May 2023 that I saw (the pollster is quite respectable): "When asked 300 days before presidential elections Russians say they would vote for: 30,2% Putin 2% Prigozhin 2% Navalny 1.3% Zhirinovsky (who is dead)" https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1663222792605630464 https://russianfield.com/300days Not a lot, but still higher than other non-Putin candidates (except Prigozhin, who is now dead)

So, except Putin, all others are either dead or rendered inoffensive and likely be killed as well after the public forgets about them.

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I think he miscalculated the degree of cruelty he’ll experience. Also his move itself could be the trigger as if this cruelty would nit be there, then he would have been a hero winning, not a hero losing. Steps “had to be made”, sadly.

What has allowed the Russian state to treat him with such a degree of cruelty is the war with Ukraine. News of his arrest, imprisonment, and treatment in jail were overshadowed by those of another airstrike on a civilian population. Not to mention, it sent a clear message to internal opposition that those willing to act against the state would face not just legal hurdles but also tyranny and physical violence.

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Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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How much popular support does Navalny have in Russia? (I realize Russia is a banana republic and Navalny is a hero but does he actually represent something that has wide support in Russia? From the few Russians I have talked to, they seems supportive of Putin despite everything.)

He is largely irrelevant now. He was significantly popular, but there is a combination of: 1. Many of his most fervent followers fleeing the country in February or September 2022. 2. His team being useless and consisting of people of very questionable loyalty (the question remains why he let them all in), and in many cases under their own brands. 3. Overall switch from the anti-corruption discourse towards different…

On top of that, the guy is literally a racist, if anyone cares to explore his past. But he’s all hero these days, because he wants to be in charge of Russian regime instead of Putin. He’s portrayed as a fighter for freedom, while actually right now, any Ukrainian soldier does more to protect the values of democracy. By literally fighting tooth and nail for it. But nobody seems to care about a Ukrainian soldier as much as they care about just one person from Russia, isn’t it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just do it differently. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/12/united-kingd...

Assange isn't a lawyer, and definitely isn't "the opposition's lawyer".

No, he's someone who is being detained just to make a point and discourage others. Had he really known something of vital importance about the US or any other allied country national security, he'd have been tortured 5 minutes after his arrest.
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