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Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

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Marcus Aurelius wrote something like "Waste no time worrying about what it means to be a good man. Be one."

Doesn't seem like he took his own advice, though.

Yea Marcus Aurelius, what a loser Emperor. I assume you’re talking about Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

#52

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Doesn't seem like he took his own advice, though.

Yea Marcus Aurelius, what a loser Emperor. I assume you’re talking about Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.

I am yes. "Alone of the emperors, he gave proof of his learning not by mere words or knowledge of philosophical doctrines but by his blameless character and temperate way of life" -Herodian about Marcus Aurelius.

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One of your other comments in "Writing down unfiltered thoughts enhances self-knowledge": > I started doing this like 3 years ago. Actually have like 30+ 100page sketchbooks filled so far. Keep meaning to catalogue it all, but I keep adding to it instead. I think maybe you should actually speak with someone (actual professional therapist), you look like you're on a path to become toxic yourself. I'm not telling you t…

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Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

#54

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Yea Marcus Aurelius, what a loser Emperor. I assume you’re talking about Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.

I am yes. "Alone of the emperors, he gave proof of his learning not by mere words or knowledge of philosophical doctrines but by his blameless character and temperate way of life" -Herodian about Marcus Aurelius.

I was responding to the other guy. I knew you were talking about him. Maybe the coelacanth was talking about Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Elagabalus

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

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My friend and I have a theory that a significant chunk of the problems mentioned in the article could be solved if every guy had a genuine platonic friend who is a girl. No data point other than every guy that I know who has close friend girls, never had problems with masculinity or something. And the opposite is true as well. I might be in a very limited bubble as well, as my very close bubble of decade+ friend grou…

It’s good to appreciate that people can be really different. For me your suggestion is a catch-22. For me to have a _close_ friendship with someone I need to like them a lot. But knowing myself, if I like someone a lot I _will_ fall in love. As in, this has happened and not once. My wife on the other hand is a direct opposite of that. From having discussed past relationships, I don’t think she even knows what falling…

I think this was one of the reasons that made me decide that poly was the way to go. Plus the fact that I don’t really get jealous. So far so good!

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

#56

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Something being more or less generalised doesnt necessarily mean more or less easy to answer. In this instance, its much easier to give axioms to being a good person than it is to being a good man. Especially in this day and age where the very notion of being a man (or woman) is being brought into question.

> Especially in this day and age where the very notion of being a man (or woman) is being brought into question. Some problems are specific to men or women exactly because our society has different expectations for men and women, so general advice good for one gender is not always good for the other. Example: Q: How to be more appealing to the other sex? A: Wear some light makeup and a nice dress.

That question and answer both hurt my brain. What to do to be more appealing depends more on the individual person you are trying to appeal to than on what gender they are. Individuals are not fungible.

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

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My friend and I have a theory that a significant chunk of the problems mentioned in the article could be solved if every guy had a genuine platonic friend who is a girl. No data point other than every guy that I know who has close friend girls, never had problems with masculinity or something. And the opposite is true as well. I might be in a very limited bubble as well, as my very close bubble of decade+ friend grou…

I don’t think that’s enough. I think what you need is a close male friend that is really self aware to guide, a female friend to ground and most important a willingness and desire to grow and change.

I don’t think any close female friend would do lots of people both men and women are extremely not self aware

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

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> I don't know how to fix it though Here's a start: don't simultaneously pulverize young men with progressive dogma that vilifies them while simultaneously desensitizing them to violence

I grew up in a small, Midwestern town. Distinctly conservative. These same problems existed despite there being a more direct, simple conception of masculinity (and violence was, if anything, more normalized). Your position is a contemporary cultural lightning rod, but I’m not immediately convinced.

Do you think it’s a evolutionary competition thing where older men somewhat intentionally confuse younger males to slow them down in the biological competition for mates

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

#59

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Doesn't seem like he took his own advice, though.

Yea Marcus Aurelius, what a loser Emperor. I assume you’re talking about Marcus Aurelius Antoninus.

I don't mean that he was a loser, just that he obviously spent a ton of time worrying about what it means to be a good man.

Re: Do You Need a Visit to the Confident Man Ranch?

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I’m a native speaker and interpret “man” in this context as definitely male, and I’d be very surprised if any other native speakers disagreed with that. I think it’s because “a good man” is quantified by the indefinite article “a”. Whereas “man” in a sentence without that qualification, e.g. “one small step for man” I would not interpret the same way. So, “a man” = a male human, “man” = maybe a male human, maybe any…

I definitely disagree given that Marcus Aurelius was writing in an era where "man" in the written word was synonymous with "human", in any context. If you or I said "man" in this time period, certainly we would attribute it as you say.

I think he meant man as in male, given that women were a very distant 2nd class of citizen.
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