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Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by JohnFen »

gabyar wrote: post #44
raybb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some tech worker unions (like at NYT) but not enough. A relevant book that recently came out but I have not read is You Deserve a Tech Union by Ethan Marcotte https://abookapart.com/products/you-deserve-a-tech-union

My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

I've worked at a few non-union shops that were the same way. I don't think the existence of a union is a large factor in that regard. I think the size of the company is.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by rdoherty »

paxys wrote: post #19
syntaxing wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is talking about the terms of layoffs (as in the severance package) rather than about layoffs in general.

I'm willing to bet that LinkedIn's severance terms are significantly more generous that what a standard union shop can negotiate for its members.

2 months + 1 week per year at LinkedIn. Not good based on my experience with tech layoffs over the past few decades.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by rocgf »

paxys wrote: post #24
LewisVerstappen wrote: post #3

> LinkedIn is now ramping up hiring in India, according the person familiar. So, laying off people in the US and hiring in India?

Is anyone really surprised? Did you think the end result of the WFH movement was going to be companies continuing to pay you to live out of your Bay Area house?

Anecdotally, in my circles, most truly thought that this won't have an impact in the compensation levels. Always struck me as incredibly short-sighted and your comment is actually the first I see that explicitly states what I thought as well.

There is still an argument that, if you truly want top talent, then that top talent might actually want to live in high COL locations like NY or whatever.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by paxys »

gumballindie wrote: post #13
LewisVerstappen wrote: post #3

> LinkedIn is now ramping up hiring in India, according the person familiar. So, laying off people in the US and hiring in India?

Lmao they wont allow remote work in the west but are fine with remote work elsewhere.

Who says the overseas positions are going to be remote?

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by JamesBarney »

syntaxing wrote: post #15
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what the dunk is supposed to be here. Plenty of unionized companies have layoffs.

OP is talking about the terms of layoffs (as in the severance package) rather than about layoffs in general.

Unions probably have better severance packages but how many times is a typical worker laid off in their life?

There are costs to increasing the cost of a layoff. It means corporations will rely on credentialism more, and take fewer risks. I'd rather live in a world where you can jump into software without a college degree, but maybe have to save a little money at your very well paying job than one that only hires college grads with a 3.5 GPA but you get a generous severance package.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by neovive »

> “As we continue to execute on our FY24 plan, we need to also evolve how we work and what we prioritize so we can deliver on the key initiatives we’ve identified that will have an outsized impact in achieving our business goals,” LinkedIn executives Mohak Shroff and Tomer Cohen wrote in the memo.

Is this standard business communication lingo for layoffs?

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

#58

Post by BazookaMusic »

gabyar wrote: post #44
raybb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some tech worker unions (like at NYT) but not enough. A relevant book that recently came out but I have not read is You Deserve a Tech Union by Ethan Marcotte https://abookapart.com/products/you-deserve-a-tech-union

My first job was at a tech company with a union. Boeing. It was ridiculously bad. I've never worked with less talented people. One of my coworkers did nothing, at all, for 2 years. But with 17 years of experience, he couldn't be fired. I carried the team, but they couldn't pay me what I was worth or promote me. I left as soon as I could.

Maybe the issue was with company being a dinosaur instead of it having a union?

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

#59

Post by idconvict »

aaa_aaa wrote: post #36
coldpie wrote: post #4

Good news for those 700: because we don't have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff! ...right?

[flagged]

Classic "all unions are corrupt" propaganda despite the evidence that they are extremely beneficial to workers.

> While your union leader does nothing while driving a luxury car

"While the CEO owns a couple private jets and the company initiates another billion dollar stock buyback"

I'd take my chances on getting an occasionally corrupt union (that I actually have a say in) vs 100% of companies that couldn't care less about my interests.

Re: LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams

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Post by paxys »

rocgf wrote: post #53
paxys wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anyone really surprised? Did you think the end result of the WFH movement was going to be companies continuing to pay you to live out of your Bay Area house?

Anecdotally, in my circles, most truly thought that this won't have an impact in the compensation levels. Always struck me as incredibly short-sighted and your comment is actually the first I see that explicitly states what I thought as well. There is still an argument that, if you truly want top talent, then that top talent might actually want to live in high COL locations like NY or whatever.

In the US maybe, but there is plenty of top talent in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Pune etc. A couple decades ago they would have all been lining up to immigrate to the US, but with the impossible visa situation and a thriving local startup scene no one really wants to leave anymore.
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