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Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

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Post by dig1 »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #40

I'm an actual RHCE. This thread has to be some big Red Hatter click farm or something. The artificial positivity is striking. Is Red Hat threatening to pull funding for this project or something? Just weird. Cockpit is okay but it's basically Red Hat's equivalent to the Windows Server Manager tool, and I have no doubt it was directly inspired by Server Manager. It's development and improvement over the years has been…

I'd say it is half-baked webmin. You can only use it with NetworkManager, and if you have an even remotely complex network setup for VMs, NetworkManager usually must be turned off, which makes Cockpit practically unusable. virt-manager [1] is way more powerful for those who like managing VMs with GUI.

[1] https://virt-manager.org/

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#52

Post by Karrot_Kream »

arghwhat wrote: post #49
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody who is comfortable with an ssh session uses Cockpit > It's for people who want to point and click, can't do a bash for/while loop, don't understand pipe chaining commands, and don't like using vim. Lol! Are you ready to deploy an ssh-capable terminal emulator at all times? What's wrong with making simple tasks simple? I run multiple Raspberry Pi cameras (with nicer camera modules) to watch the pets if the fa…

> Lol! Are you ready to deploy an ssh-capable terminal emulator at all times? What terminal emulator isn't ssh-capable? Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused. > What's wrong with making simple tasks simple? The limited tasks exposed by cockpit are also simple (or depending on the individual, simpler) in a terminal, but if you want a point-and-click UI for just a few things, go ahea…

> Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused.

A mobile device. I don't use terminal emulators without access to some non-touch keyboard so I want a simple interface on my mobile device.

> That cockpit is very limited and seemingly has no future does not mean you can't like what it does now. Just might be worth considering if there are better-supported alternatives.

Sure then compare cockpit with other webmin-esque tools, not a terminal emulator. These are different interfaces, much like I don't compare a voice interface with a mouse-oriented one.

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#53

Post by kosikond »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #2

For self hosting a NAS, I find Cockpit to be leagues better than OMV.

IMHO that depends on couple of factors and use case, and I am happily running either on two different NASes.

OMV: -- has Docker plugin with Compose support (no need for sep. Docker GUI like Portainer) -- SMB shares are (somehow) more reliable on Win clients -- has more beginner friendly GUI and attitude, easier to share with other users -- batteries-included features like fail2ban + Wireguard

Cockpit: -- first class citizen on EL / Fedora distros -- Podman yes, Docker no - no Compose/Quadlet support -- killer features like VM managements and Terminal -- bugs with Samba

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#54

Post by lopkeny12ko »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #52
arghwhat wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lol! Are you ready to deploy an ssh-capable terminal emulator at all times? What terminal emulator isn't ssh-capable? Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused. > What's wrong with making simple tasks simple? The limited tasks exposed by cockpit are also simple (or depending on the individual, simpler) in a terminal, but if you want a point-and-click UI for just a few things, go ahea…

> Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused. A mobile device. I don't use terminal emulators without access to some non-touch keyboard so I want a simple interface on my mobile device. > That cockpit is very limited and seemingly has no future does not mean you can't like what it does now. Just might be worth considering if there are better-supported alternatives. Sure then compare coc…

Terminal emulators, which can run SSH clients, are absolutely possible on a mobile device. https://termux.dev/en/

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#56

Post by minimaul »

dig1 wrote: post #51
TwoNineFive wrote: post #40

I'm an actual RHCE. This thread has to be some big Red Hatter click farm or something. The artificial positivity is striking. Is Red Hat threatening to pull funding for this project or something? Just weird. Cockpit is okay but it's basically Red Hat's equivalent to the Windows Server Manager tool, and I have no doubt it was directly inspired by Server Manager. It's development and improvement over the years has been…

I'd say it is half-baked webmin. You can only use it with NetworkManager, and if you have an even remotely complex network setup for VMs, NetworkManager usually must be turned off, which makes Cockpit practically unusable. virt-manager [1] is way more powerful for those who like managing VMs with GUI. [1] https://virt-manager.org/

I've not noticed any dependencies on NetworkManager when using Cockpit for VMs on Debian? My servers configure their networking using Debian's usual ifupdown, and NetworkManager isn't even installed!

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#57

Post by Karrot_Kream »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #54
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused. A mobile device. I don't use terminal emulators without access to some non-touch keyboard so I want a simple interface on my mobile device. > That cockpit is very limited and seemingly has no future does not mean you can't like what it does now. Just might be worth considering if there are better-supported alternatives. Sure then compare coc…

Terminal emulators, which can run SSH clients, are absolutely possible on a mobile device. https://termux.dev/en/

I know. Android is a capable platform. I'm just not going to use it on a mobile device without a keyboard, sorry.

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#58

Post by INTPenis »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #40

I'm an actual RHCE. This thread has to be some big Red Hatter click farm or something. The artificial positivity is striking. Is Red Hat threatening to pull funding for this project or something? Just weird. Cockpit is okay but it's basically Red Hat's equivalent to the Windows Server Manager tool, and I have no doubt it was directly inspired by Server Manager. It's development and improvement over the years has been…

A friend of mine actually found it very useful, and I think it helped him get into selfhosting on Fedora and RHEL. Now he mostly uses Ansible but I remember hearing a lot about cockpit during the start of his journey. He would use it to manage VMs, containers, and get a better grasp of SElinux denials.

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#59

Post by gertrunde »

esskay wrote: post #25
happyweasel wrote: post #24

webmin anyone?

Going for that nice mid 1990's vibe? In fairness it's got a wealth of features...it's just ugly as sin.

It has had a bit of a visual refresh, so it's not as bad as it used to be, although the underlying structure is still very much the same.

Re: Cockpit: Web-based graphical interface for servers

#60

Post by worksonmine »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #54
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where would you not be able to open a terminal emulator? I am so confused. A mobile device. I don't use terminal emulators without access to some non-touch keyboard so I want a simple interface on my mobile device. > That cockpit is very limited and seemingly has no future does not mean you can't like what it does now. Just might be worth considering if there are better-supported alternatives. Sure then compare coc…

Terminal emulators, which can run SSH clients, are absolutely possible on a mobile device. https://termux.dev/en/

Possible and usable aren't the same thing. You can run it on an android watch as well, but would you?
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