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Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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It’s really not: https://examine.com/guides/protein-intake/ . There is tons of quality research quoted on examine.com, and the results around protein are very conclusive. The short answer is that the recommendations are for much higher protein intake than most people think, and than most standard food will give you.

That site you linked says people with active lifestyles can need as much as 3g/kg, if you weigh 80kg that's 240g of protein a day.

Their recommendations are always a range, and for athletes the recommended range generally tops out at 2g/kg. But the recommendation can be higher for people with very strict body composition requirements, especially when trying to lose the last bit of fat when you are already very lean (e.g. bodybuilders before a show, action movie actors etc). But the range for most people is pretty wide, and it’s not a requirement, it’s just that you’ll probably get better results when gaining or losing weight if you err higher.

But yeah, even the minimum is a lot, and it’s hard to achieve without building all your meals around protein.

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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Increased power over weight ratio does count as "increased strength" IMO. You will run and bike much faster for one thing.

Sure, but for how long?

Potentially very long. If you look at the top endurance runners (e.g. Killian Jornet) they're not particularly muscular. In this sport efficiency rules over power.

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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I did a bit of a double-take at the headline because it seems to imply that one can grow stronger while calorie-restricted, which is contrary to common practice around strength development - caloric surplus is generally understood to be necessary for muscle growth. I've only read the abstract, but the title as I interpreted it seems misleading: > One study showed that individuals on calorie restriction lost muscle ma…

That strength (which has to be defined via a mostly arbitrary set of tests) can increase while body mass or even muscle mass decreases is not controversial, anyone who starts strength training while losing weight can attest to that. There's more to force output in a specific context than contractile tissue mass.

Increasing muscle mass while losing body mass is a very different question though.

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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Does any one find hard to eat a lot of protein (150g) in a 8 hour feeding window? I hate to live off of protein shacks.

Do you really need that much protein though?

Need for life? Maybe not. But for sports performance, 1.4 to 1.6 grams per kg of bodyweight is about where the ROI tapers off for most people so far as i know. More probably only if one is very lean or anabolically reistant.

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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> One study showed that individuals on calorie restriction lost muscle mass and an average of 20 pounds of weight over the first year and maintained their weight for the second year. However, despite losing muscle mass, calorie restriction participants did not lose muscle strength, indicating calorie restriction improved the amount of force generated by each unit of muscle mass, called muscle specific force. If peopl…

I'm not sure of your math. I weigh 180 at 5'9". That's well under obese. If I lost 20 pounds, I'd be just under the midline of healthy.

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Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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Increased power over weight ratio does count as "increased strength" IMO. You will run and bike much faster for one thing.

Might not wrestle better in open weight class, chop as much wood or shovel as much snow or dirt, though ?

those activities are a bit useless nowadays compared to cycling/walking/running

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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post #24

Does any one find hard to eat a lot of protein (150g) in a 8 hour feeding window? I hate to live off of protein shacks.

I've spent years without eating any meat, and this week I ate 500g of chicken in one shot, that feels good. But I really don't need it every day, it's also not very scalable in terms of environment

I'm 60kg, 1m83, with I guess strong and endurant muscle with all the bike and manual tasks I'm doing

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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I did a bit of a double-take at the headline because it seems to imply that one can grow stronger while calorie-restricted, which is contrary to common practice around strength development - caloric surplus is generally understood to be necessary for muscle growth. I've only read the abstract, but the title as I interpreted it seems misleading: > One study showed that individuals on calorie restriction lost muscle ma…

> which is contrary to common practice around strength development This belief is already changing in bodybuilding and strength circles. Surprisingly, the fitness influencers on tiktok are leading the charge in changing minds about this.

"This belief is already changing in bodybuilding and strength circles."

This is a mistake and one that can be extrapolated to the much larger world.

Real world growth implies building in excess of the target and then trimming the leftover.

I don't care if you're planning a battle charge or setting your family finances or going for massive gains in your delts: exact allocation of resources is doomed to fail.

In fact: the "bro science" of bulking up in a training phase and then "cutting" to a competition weight, etc., is revealing a deeper truth about the world.

Re: Calorie restriction in humans builds strong muscle and stimulates healthy aging

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One of my favorite studies, an oft-replicated and cited study, tracks several hundred people who claimed to be "diet resistant". Using a technique invloving "doubly-lableled water" they were able to determine that every single person in the study who claimed to be diet resistant was overreporting their exercise and underreporting their calorie intake: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199212313272701 Of cours…

Is it supposed to be surprising that someone having weight issues would have issues reliably tracking the impacts of actions that would lead to their weight? Have any similar "favorite studies" on hand about alcoholics who underreport alcohol use and overreport abstaining? Punching down is a favorite pastime of mine too btw :)

It's not punching down.

It comes with frustration that these garbage studies mislead people who have been struggling with their weight by discouraging them from internalizing the simple facts that lead to effective and sustainable weight loss/maintenance/manipulation.

You see them cited all the time by people who've grabbed onto the next diet fad in hopes of achieving what bodybuilders and athletes who compete in weight classes have known for decades.

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