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F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by sspiff »

notpushkin wrote: post #7
blameitonme wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only seem to support pixel, although pixels can be bought for cheap when compared to iphones, they're still expensive for countries which are still developing. For example Im using a device which is 1/4th the price of cheapest first hand pixel that I can get :(

LineageOS is supported on a bit more devices, and works with microG if you're willing to sacrifice Google Pay for better battery life and less privacy violations: https://lineage.microg.org/

Interesting, can I still use the Play Store with mircoG?

I already run LineageOS, but with Play services. I would like to be able to ditch Play services, but still need the Play store for things like my banking app, and an app to log in to government services.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

Kwpolska wrote: post #36
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks in many countries require an Android phone for online banking. Even if they offer an online-banking website that you can access with any browser, you may still need the Android app for 2FA. This is one of a number of reasons why the PinePhone or Librem is unfortunately not a daily driver. Also, things like paying for parking or interacting with public services are moving to Android apps in some places.

Don't most banking apps reject non-GooglePlay/unofficial-image/rooted phones?

One of the draws of GrapheneOS is that, since Pixel phones have a relockable bootloader, that Android image will pass SafetyNet. While Google Play Services is typically required by banking apps, on GrapheneOS you can run Play Services in its own sandbox.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

codedokode wrote: post #44
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks in many countries require an Android phone for online banking. Even if they offer an online-banking website that you can access with any browser, you may still need the Android app for 2FA. This is one of a number of reasons why the PinePhone or Librem is unfortunately not a daily driver. Also, things like paying for parking or interacting with public services are moving to Android apps in some places.

Do not use banking apps on a phone because it is not secure (there is no second factor). Use bank's website on a laptop instead.

As I said, for many banks, in order to log in to the bank's website on a laptop, you need to receive a 2FA code sent through the bank’s app on an Android phone.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by garciansmith »

grishka wrote: post #42

Related to this, I really dislike how Google Play acts like it owns your device. Installing an apk? Hey, I'm Google Play, I exist, how about turning Play Protect on?

Those messages are very annoying. Play Protect periodically tries to get you to turn it back on, once every few weeks or so. I really wish there was a way to turn that annoying nag off.

Glad I have it off though: KDEConnect is great, I use it all the time to transfer files and send text messages from my computer.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by BlueTemplar »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #32
BlueTemplar wrote: post #29

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It's still based on Android though - so isn't it building on sand ? Isn't it better to focus our efforts on projects unrelated to Android, especially since some viable ones have appeared recently : Librem 5 and especially PinePhone.

Banks in many countries require an Android phone for online banking. Even if they offer an online-banking website that you can access with any browser, you may still need the Android app for 2FA. This is one of a number of reasons why the PinePhone or Librem is unfortunately not a daily driver. Also, things like paying for parking or interacting with public services are moving to Android apps in some places.

Is that even legal ?

Banking and public services are too important to be restricted to people with smartphone ownership (even regardless of OS).

It's even more important to refuse to use them, publicly shame them, and complain about them failing at their duties.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by stderrout »

Google wants more control by projecting itself as infallible trust authority on device. Its standards are so high that if you are ever on other side of its automated tools first response usually is blame user rather than hire any human support team to investigate issues even if they may be coming from its programs. And then the reports keep coming on how it was error or mistake due to scale of operations its just rounding error. Next time it will be different. Trust us we are the only ones who knows this or able to do it right even if we sometimes do make mistakes you should only let us do it. No one is better than us.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by user_7832 »

Arnt wrote: post #39
Kwpolska wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't most banking apps reject non-GooglePlay/unofficial-image/rooted phones?

Yes, and the reasons are instructive. When you get to the lowest level, technically, the banking apps want to store files on the phone that the user can't access. This means that something like lineageos can run banking apps, if the phone tells the banking app what the app wants to hear. It's fiddly but can be done, and in fact it is what I do on my private phone. It also means that a platform that fundamentally give…

While I can understand Google and the banking apps' actions, it doesn't make much sense given how PCs having root is hardly every a concern for a bank. If you can do something bad with banking on a rooted device, it's probably doable on a computer too.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by seszett »

Kwpolska wrote: post #36
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks in many countries require an Android phone for online banking. Even if they offer an online-banking website that you can access with any browser, you may still need the Android app for 2FA. This is one of a number of reasons why the PinePhone or Librem is unfortunately not a daily driver. Also, things like paying for parking or interacting with public services are moving to Android apps in some places.

Don't most banking apps reject non-GooglePlay/unofficial-image/rooted phones?

Ironically you might have to root your phone to install the necessary Magisk modules to make the app think it's on a phone running the official thing.

Re: F-Droid version of KDEConnect uninstalled by PlayProtect

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Post by HansHamster »

notpushkin wrote: post #7
blameitonme wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only seem to support pixel, although pixels can be bought for cheap when compared to iphones, they're still expensive for countries which are still developing. For example Im using a device which is 1/4th the price of cheapest first hand pixel that I can get :(

LineageOS is supported on a bit more devices, and works with microG if you're willing to sacrifice Google Pay for better battery life and less privacy violations: https://lineage.microg.org/

LineageOS unfortunately dropped support for my Moto G4 relatively quickly after I installed it and it only was supported up to Android 7.1. I have been running an unofficial build of 8.1 ever since, but that is also horribly outdated by now.
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