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The electric car industry is spinning alternatives. Hydrogen is a much better alternative all around. You'll be able to convert existing cars much easier.
If LPG/Natural gas ice conversions had taken off in the 80s/90s THEN evidence would be more in Hydrogen's favor.
Yup. It's painfully obvious here in Canada, where the loudest champion of hydrogen-powered vehicles is the Premiere of the oil-and-gas-generating province of Alberta, and she's an ideological-conservative pro-oil leader at that. Seeing people like that rally to hydrogen over EVs is the loudest argument against the tech. Hydrogen technology doesn't exist to save the Earth, it exists to save the natural gas industry. T…
Green hydrogen is developing now, and is very real, and is based on polysilicon solar advancements and PEM electrolyzer advancements, both of which provide ~3 decadal cost-down paths. See these two companies of ours: [1] https://ohmium.com [2] https://novohydrogen.com
Green hydrogen is vapourware.
[1]https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/22/0-03-of-hydrogen-is-gre...
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All it takes is a new pump at existing gas stations and what becomes more compelling to the consumer flips overnight. Same cultural process of fueling up at the same place you've always fueled up in about the same amount of time as its always taken. It seems like there's a lot lot less inertia to get consumers over that hurdle than the EV hurdle, where charge times are long and convenient chargers not a guarantee in…
Lol at all ; Hydrogen can't easily be transported in current pipelines; Can't be transported in current trucks, and can't be stored in current gas station tanks. And if the gas station doesn't maintain its hoses, nozzles, or seals; you don't wind up with a slight smell, a carcinogenic irritation -- you experience frostbite to you hand immediately.
If you're lucky. If you're unlucky the first you realize there is a leak is when it ignites. Fortunately it is harder to make it explode than gasoline vapors but it also escapes far more readily than gasoline does.
Electrification for millions and millions of cars will never work, we don't have the "green" energy resources to actually produce that electricity, and second, and just as important, we don't have the distribution network that will be able to carry that extra power (both in the US and in Europe). So that leaves us with the logical conclusion that we won't have millions and millions personal cars going forward, for be…
26+ million BEV already running in the world... Like 2 million driving around the US.
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in...
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I don't blame you for being skeptical, but it isn't just the oil and gas industry. The Japanese government went all-in on hydrogen. https://thediplomat.com/2023/07/a-look-at-japans-latest-hydr...
Sure, and it's by and large viewed as a complete failure[0]. Is your argument that we should repeat that failure? [0] https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/green-tech/a4266501...
As to the article: they fail to mention that Japan hasn't even begun to throw in the towel. The newest CEO of Toyota is doubling down on hydrogen powered vehicles.
https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/toyotas-bold-us-pla...
Anyone who has followed hydrogen as a fuel for a while sees pretty easily that its a solution in search of a problem. It really doesn't make sense to use renewables to make hydrogen fuel to then burn: batteries are better for storage of energy in most cases (I will grant that there are edge cases where a liquid/gas fuel is a better technical solution than batteries, but I think that options like ethanol are probably…
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I wish them much good luck, but it's a bit like the dinosaurs complaining about those uppity mammals getting underfoot: their days are numbered. BEVs are here to stay, hydrogen is - as far as I can see - a non-starter except when it comes to heavy traffic and possibly rail or air but even there I have my doubts. Meanwhile BEVs are rapidly building momentum and coupled with solar and wind make very good sense. Even th…
At that point hydrogen cars could very well see a resurgence. Especially in places with cold weather, where the fuel cell waste heat can be used for the climate control, while the BEV needs to spend energy running a heat pump, so the efficiency advantage of BEVs is mostly gone.
Not saying the oil sector is powerless by any means, and I guess maybe they're going for regulatory capture, but this is a non-starter from an economic reality perspective so I'm not too worried about it. The train is well out of the station for electric vehicles. I believe every car maker (save 1 that I know about) is fully committed to 100% electrified vehicles in the not-too-distant future. I feel like eventually…
Still dangerous. It reminds me of Zubrin’s takedown of VASIMR [1]. An unrealistic counterproposal can torpedo a workable one by appealing to peoples’ tendency to choose the perfect over the good.