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Google wins reprieve from $32M verdict in Sonos patent fight

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Re: Google wins reprieve from $32M verdict in Sonos patent fight

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Alsup strikes again! Same judge who presided over Oracle v Google, and Google v Uber/Levandowski.

I just wish he was on the Court of Appeals. His notably sane judgments have a habit of being struck down once backroom politics get involved.

Alsup is semi-retired since 2021.

Re: Google wins reprieve from $32M verdict in Sonos patent fight

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Patents need to be severely reduced or restricted

any interest in going as far as changing that article of the constitution? I feel it is almost unworkable enough I don’t feel as if enough important people care enough the same way as irrelevant people would care relevant because the only populist legislative changes that occur are the ones that coincidentally match what the elite class was already interested in

It doesn’t teed changing

The constitution doesn’t insist that patents exist, just that congress is the one who regulates them if they do

Re: Google wins reprieve from $32M verdict in Sonos patent fight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

any interest in going as far as changing that article of the constitution? I feel it is almost unworkable enough I don’t feel as if enough important people care enough the same way as irrelevant people would care relevant because the only populist legislative changes that occur are the ones that coincidentally match what the elite class was already interested in

It doesn’t teed changing The constitution doesn’t insist that patents exist, just that congress is the one who regulates them if they do

“for limited times” in article 1 section 8 clause 8 is what needs changing and clarification, by amendment

Re: Google wins reprieve from $32M verdict in Sonos patent fight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently synchronized speakers grouped to zones, with the possibility for the zones to overlap so that one speaker could be in multiple zones rather than just one. To quote the judge: > Then, in 2019, Sonos filed continuation applications for the patents in suit. To get around the prior art, Sonos sought to patent zone scenes with a new twist: overlap. With overlap, a zone player could be a member of more than one…

Your description got me wondering if Sonos had actually done anything novel so I decided to go and dig up the actual patent. Best I can tell, it's this one: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7571014B1/en Spoiler, it contains a detailed description of the functionality, complete with UI mockups and flow charts. It does not contain any novel method for keeping audio in sync between rooms, for example. It is insane to…

Genelec 8250A active monitoring (speaker) systems were in production from 2006 to 2016. The Product Documentation (2006) has on page 7 screenshots showing the ability to define multiple groups of speakers and jointly control the volume level for groups via LAN. Extensive customization included individual time delays as well.

So back in 2006 Genelec was already doing all of this and had shipped products to the market.

https://www.genelec.com/previous-models/8250a

https://assets.ctfassets.net/4zjnzn055a4v/2Jy6loSGRWecUWacsq...

https://www.genelec.com/-/blog/glm-and-smart-active-monitori...

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