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Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by yoavm »

throwfoss wrote: post #44
0atman wrote: post #35

I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…

Well someone should do it though. He's surely an ambivalent person. But the point "Open Source" vs. "Free Software" stands. Right now working at a company that has been violating the GPL (and somewhat celebrating themselves as Open Source contributors) makes me truly understand the difference. "Open Source" means just taking but "Free Software" also - at the very least - complying with licenses. > To those who say we…

I don't think that the parent's point was that he was wrong or exaggerating, but that the way he communicated his messages is bad. I think it would have been great if he said "I think you mean Free Software, not Open Source, because..." but if he indeed screamed at people for making what's essentially a mistake, that seems needlessly rude and probably makes his messages unrelatable.

As someone that grew up with a lot of respect to RMS, hearing that this was how his talk went saddens me.

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by micromacrofoot »

0atman wrote: post #35

I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…

The fact that comments like this come up every single time there's an article about him is basically self-fulfilling. The size of the personality (and opinion of it) has overtaken the size of the cause.

It's unfortunate but the best thing FOSS can do is find more unknown people that can focus on the content.

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by micromacrofoot »

throwfoss wrote: post #44
0atman wrote: post #35

I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…

Well someone should do it though. He's surely an ambivalent person. But the point "Open Source" vs. "Free Software" stands. Right now working at a company that has been violating the GPL (and somewhat celebrating themselves as Open Source contributors) makes me truly understand the difference. "Open Source" means just taking but "Free Software" also - at the very least - complying with licenses. > To those who say we…

he hasn't done anything for GNU in over a decade, this is just preaching to the choir

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by 0atman »

dyingkneepad wrote: post #49
0atman wrote: post #35

I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…

That's me every time I try reading r/vegan comments, lol. Those people think they are helping our cause, but they're actually moving it backwards.

Yeah! I've seen a lot of re-branding to "plant-based", same meaning, less baggage.

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by digging »

0atman wrote: post #40
dayvid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the infamous article that tried to cancel Stallman and agreed with most of it. She was wrong at the end when she tried to destroy his legacy and image. Stallman has done a lot, but he's doing more harm than good nowadays. It's mature to know when to step down and give the next generation space to grow.

I read just today that there's no such thing as 'cancel culture', what it is, is 'consequence culture': The observation that it's becoming less accepted that we must protect the rich/famous/powerful just because they're rich/famous/powerful.

This is the reality and thanks for saying it. Bullies and harassers get so used to having their way that they think they're being victimized when others call them out for bullying and harassment.

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by spicymaki »

sph wrote: post #16

It is really jarring to see RMS without his iconic beard. I hope he recovers soon from his cancer, we need GNU and free software proselytism more than ever today.

It is great that his prognosis is good, but who is stepping up to bring the movement into the next generation?

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by apienx »

> It was pretty much a classic RMS talk, with a focus on Red Hat, artificial intelligence, and why kids don’t think free software is cool (hint: it has to do with wanting to be popular, which evidently was never an issue for Stallman).

I chuckled ;-)

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by macksd »

oddevan wrote: post #30
steve1977 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That implies that thinking is not based on some kind of biological statistical system.

Counterpoint: person hears 15 arguments. 14 say one thing, 1 says another. Person agrees with the 1 argument because it resonates with them more. I'm not saying the 14 are right and the 1 is wrong. I'm saying that the decision was not based on a statistical model.

No, it's based on a statistical model that incorporates biases, like many statistical models.

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by thereddaikon »

0atman wrote: post #40
dayvid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the infamous article that tried to cancel Stallman and agreed with most of it. She was wrong at the end when she tried to destroy his legacy and image. Stallman has done a lot, but he's doing more harm than good nowadays. It's mature to know when to step down and give the next generation space to grow.

I read just today that there's no such thing as 'cancel culture', what it is, is 'consequence culture': The observation that it's becoming less accepted that we must protect the rich/famous/powerful just because they're rich/famous/powerful.

Oh there absolutely is. Problem is, many different situations all get thrown under the same umbrella term. Not everyone who gets canceled is in a position of power or a bully. Plenty of little guys have been taken down by online mobs over the years. The important thing is to be able to recognize the difference

Re: Richard Stallman Talks Red Hat, AI and Ethical Software Licenses at GNU Birthday

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Post by kube-system »

0atman wrote: post #35

I went to a small talk rms gave in London in around 2009. The talk was unmemorable (my fault, likely, not his) but the Q&A afterwards was remarkable: He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions, raved about the Amazon "Swindle" like a 12-year-old, and talked over and down to everyone. He was often accurate in the core of what he was trying to say, but his attitude was u…

> He screamed at people for using 'open source' instead of 'free software' in their questions

Yes, this is frustrating. I once tried to ask him a question about a project that calls itself open-source, and rather than answering it, he proceeded to go on about how he hates the term.

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