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Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by AlexandrB » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

The legislation sounds probably terrible and awkward, but the chosen headline is maybe a bit inflammatory: "The CRTC requires all online services with more than CAD $10mn (USD $7.3mn) in revenue that operate in Canada and that offer podcasts, to register with the government before Nov 28." We're not exactly talking about little mom&pop hobby podcasts. If you're bringing in $10M in revenue, you're a major media operat…

Yes. I think the most accurate way to look at this is as a trade barrier to protect a local industry. By mandating a certain percentage of Canadian content, the CRTC effectively subsidizes Canadian media.

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by seanw444 » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

cpncrunch wrote: post #3

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

The legislation sounds probably terrible and awkward, but the chosen headline is maybe a bit inflammatory: "The CRTC requires all online services with more than CAD $10mn (USD $7.3mn) in revenue that operate in Canada and that offer podcasts, to register with the government before Nov 28." We're not exactly talking about little mom&pop hobby podcasts. If you're bringing in $10M in revenue, you're a major media operat…

And im not sure how a requirement to register translates into censorship.

Did you think about that sentence before you wrote it?

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by dewey » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

betaby wrote: post #50

dewey wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how would you suggest regulation to keep up with technology if we just stop regulating after a certain threshold?

That's not how percents work.

Nobody suggested to stop regulating at 70%.

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by betaby » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #53

betaby wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how percents work.

Nobody suggested to stop regulating at 70%.

Some suggest is too much to have 70% of the occupations being regulated.

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by pixxel » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

okeuro49 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also from an outsider, you're talking about the Democrats -- right?

Whatever you think about CNN or MSNBC, FoxNews is pretty over the top, it’s basically a tabloid at this point with many tabloid stories. I disagree with the premise however: it’s not that American media has so much influence on American consumers, rather American media is producing the product that their consumers want. The influence is basically reversed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37764870

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by AlexandrB » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

huijzer wrote: post #8

victorbstan wrote: post #5

Because the “free for all” market that gave rise to Alex Jones and FOX news, etc. really improved American society…

Nobody is forcing anyone to watch it. Many people watch it voluntarily. If we are so sure that these media are so bad for people, why are so many people still watching it? If the answer is that these media "hack" the human brain, then I don't think that banning the producers is the right way to go. The root cause is that people are too easily tricked. Banning the producers will only cause other media, such as YouTube…

It's not necessary to hack the human brain if you can hack the YouTube algorithm. I get recommended this crap once in a while even though I have zero interest. Starting with a "Private" browsing window, it was pretty common to hit Andrew Tate shorts extremely quickly 6 months ago or so. Jordan Peterson's over-dramatic rants are another favourite YouTube recommendation.

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by AlexandrB » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

kshahkshah wrote: post #26

victorbstan wrote: post #5

Because the “free for all” market that gave rise to Alex Jones and FOX news, etc. really improved American society…

The free for all market also gave me access to a hundred chefs who vastly improved my cooking. It also gave me access to a dozen woodworkers who taught me how to work safely and efficiently. A whole host of gardeners in my USDA zone with hyper local content relevant to me and taught me about native plants. The free market has saved me thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars in home repair costs. From changin…

> It also gave me access to a dozen woodworkers who taught me how to work safely and efficiently.

And also "woodworkers" who would take transformers out of microwaves and run the resulting current through bare nails to make fractal lightning patterns in wood. If you're starting with a blank slate on wood-based projects how do you differentiate the former from the latter?

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by kshahkshah » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:46 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #57

kshahkshah wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free for all market also gave me access to a hundred chefs who vastly improved my cooking. It also gave me access to a dozen woodworkers who taught me how to work safely and efficiently. A whole host of gardeners in my USDA zone with hyper local content relevant to me and taught me about native plants. The free market has saved me thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars in home repair costs. From changin…

> It also gave me access to a dozen woodworkers who taught me how to work safely and efficiently. And also "woodworkers" who would take transformers out of microwaves and run the resulting current through bare nails to make fractal lightning patterns in wood. If you're starting with a blank slate on wood-based projects how do you differentiate the former from the latter?

Common sense?

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by tamimio » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

On one hand, it is wrong to limit people’s opinions to be discussed and talked about, and I am sure there are a lot of issues when it comes to Canadian politics, economics, etc. On the other hand, since probably around 2014, we have a lot of grifters surfaced online who are only interested in monetizing their content with no integrity or accountability, across the whole political spectrum. So I don’t know how to feel about this.

Re: Canada to regulate podcasts

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Post by jlos » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

The legislation sounds probably terrible and awkward, but the chosen headline is maybe a bit inflammatory: "The CRTC requires all online services with more than CAD $10mn (USD $7.3mn) in revenue that operate in Canada and that offer podcasts, to register with the government before Nov 28." We're not exactly talking about little mom&pop hobby podcasts. If you're bringing in $10M in revenue, you're a major media operat…

Appreciate the even handed summary here

> Canada is in a constant struggle to localize and protect local culture. And in the process there are often dubious monopolistic forces that inject themselves into that process.

I'd argue monopolistic control is the goal. The latest CRTC regulations seems a fairly straight-forward cash grab to prop up legacy media companies that would otherwise fail for their lack of competitiveness. Further, the process of putting out these regulations has been appallingly undemocratic. Bill C-11, like its predecessor Bill C-10, were not allowed to be debated in the house (only the 3rd time such a motion has been used in Canada)[0].

And lets be real, its not the average Canadian that benefits here. Its the owners and shareholders of the companies.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Streaming_Act#History