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I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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Running a scraping aggregator and being an end user are not the same thing.

Workday is not great for applicants either. Maybe the back-end is nice?

Maybe the back-end is nice?

Lol I’m definitely swiping this next time I throw shade on a website XD

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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Oh goodness, someone else who shares my irrational antipathy for Workday! Workday is such junk from a user facing perspective. It’s a huge pain to index content from. I have to omit a bunch of big semiconductor companies from my job site because it’s fucking impossible to get job data out of Workday. If you work in talent at either NXP or Qualcomm, please God read this essay. You are actively harming your own recruit…

Can you elaborate on the problems with Workday? I hear lots of antipathy about it, but the only problem I've personally noticed is (IIRC) it consistently mis-parses my PDF resume.

One of the biggest issues I've had, and I don't know how workday looks from their end, when it comes to entering in education and specifically degree. My degree says "Software Engineering," which I never see given in a list. So I usually just pick whatever is closest like "Computer Science," and I always wonder if there is a system that does some correlation between what it put in the box and on the resume.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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We hire on Freelancer sites quite a bit and have noticed that about 50%-80% of applicants now very obviously use ChatGPT or equivalent to apply. Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. They are currently very easy to spot and the applications go directly into the trash, so the freelancers aren't doing themselves any favors using them. It is in…

I mean, big corpos for years have been automating the hiring process to the detriment of their own results. Is it really that surprising applicants are ready to do the same? Now suddenly automation is bad? Hiring managers being butt-hurt that their automated factory farm application process is being inundated with spam generated by other automation is so hilarious to me, this just made my day. You get what you fuckin…

It isn't the use of automation that is the problem. It's that in the automated applications we're receiving, there is very obviously fraudulent information in there. The applicants are LYING about their experience, in order to match the job specification.

ChatGPT just consumes each of the job requirements, and then makes a story about how the applicant has had significant experience in all of those areas. I would prefer not to hire people who lie about their experience to get a job.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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I think there's a dynamic where: - Desirable job applicants get hired quickly, but people who can't get hired stay on the market - People who can't get hired will keep applying to more and more jobs - So every new job opening gets flooded with applications from people who couldn't get hired elsewhere - Employers don't have time to read the flood of applications in detail, so they rely on cheap filters (keywords on re…

The shortcut around this problem is for companies to rely on networking/recommendations rather than a large net, but that comes with its own downsides.

A video came across my feed recently talking about this in tech. Was talking about how the advice for getting into tech that worked really well 1+ years ago isn't as effective today. Basically, the idea was that tech was hiring so voraciously, that they couldn't keep up with hiring by relying on networking bringing in enough candidates, so they needed a lot more recruiting efforts to fill the pipeline. This meant, that just grinding leet code and applying was enough to significantly increase the odds of getting hired. Basically the proportion of random application hires to referral hires was high. Today, not so much. I'd expect to need to jump though a lot more hoops today (not that leet code studying isn't it's own major hoop) to get hired. And of course, this proportion will shift again with the next major tech hiring boom.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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post #32

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We hire on Freelancer sites quite a bit and have noticed that about 50%-80% of applicants now very obviously use ChatGPT or equivalent to apply. Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. They are currently very easy to spot and the applications go directly into the trash, so the freelancers aren't doing themselves any favors using them. It is in…

Suppose you could have some fun putting made up technology honeypots in there to weed them out.

That's a great idea, we will do that.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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Oh goodness, someone else who shares my irrational antipathy for Workday! Workday is such junk from a user facing perspective. It’s a huge pain to index content from. I have to omit a bunch of big semiconductor companies from my job site because it’s fucking impossible to get job data out of Workday. If you work in talent at either NXP or Qualcomm, please God read this essay. You are actively harming your own recruit…

Workday is weird. It's a chore to apply but things like simplify jobs browser addon makes ituch better. That being said I have more luck getting a response from a workday application than greenhouse or lever. Maybe the harder pathway discourages spam applications

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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I overheard a guy at the gym a couple of weeks back saying that he's automated (gpt4) the keyword-optimised CV/cover letter process to the point where he was able to apply to - I'm a bit suspect on this bit, but the generation at least is believable - 75 jobs in an hour and a half. We've raised the noise floor significantly. Ps. If you're here mate I hope it worked out for you.

We hire on Freelancer sites quite a bit and have noticed that about 50%-80% of applicants now very obviously use ChatGPT or equivalent to apply. Now suddenly every person magically has 8 years experience in a weird esoteric requirement that we're looking for. They are currently very easy to spot and the applications go directly into the trash, so the freelancers aren't doing themselves any favors using them. It is in…

Okay, but I have a resume that is a good fit for a lot of different roles but isn't seen by any human ever because it doesn't include the specific combination of keywords mentioned in the job posting.

I am in the process right now of embedding keywords and a "shadow resume" invisibly in my resume to get past the stupid filtering software.

Employers are doing this to themselves.

Re: I applied to 250 jobs and timed how long each one took

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I guess this is interesting research, but for me not personally useful.

I've had a lot of jobs in my long career, and I have spent a considerable amount of time researching and applying for the few ones I am interested in. I have a pretty good hit rate.

Do people really apply for hundreds of jobs?

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