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The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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In what way does this trivialize birth control? The ideal of birth control as a technology would allow anyone to cheaply turn their ability to reproduce on or off with no side effects. It's no more concerned with unwilling partners than willing, the technologies work the same for both. Judging from this article the method in question is getting pretty darn close to that ideal.

Its not ideal if it is only verifiable by one sex.

Like the pill?

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Thank you. I was a little surprised that my comment got downvoted so much. Maybe this is due to the low percentage of female HNers? Its as if most people think that the pill would have been as revolutionary if it were for men instead of women.

Erm, I think there may have been a bit of a misunderstanding in my attempt at some dry humor. :( I intended to imply disagreement with your claim, mostly due to the one-sided nature of it (as my parent reply suggested). I imagine the downvotes are due to the fact that your phrasing seems to imply that the male should have no say in the matter. It's not that women should not have control over the process (perhaps even…

Thank you for the clarification and taking the time to respond. I did not mean to imply that men should not have a say in the matter. I think I might have placed too much emphasis and an overly broad definition of "best."

My point was that given the biological constraints females ultimately are the most impacted by pregnancy. As a male I definitely value improvements for male birth control. However from a societal point of view I think the best birth control is one that is either controlled by women or is verifiable by women.

Since you are being so helpful and I seem to be so hard-headed/clueless on this one. What do you think the general disagreement is with my "best neccesarily implies one or the other comment."?

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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Have you ever had sex with someone who has an IUD. Or talked to a woman with an IUD to see her opinion on it? Because it's not all you make it out to be.

I'm curious what problems you have in mind. Of my friends who I know use an IUD, 4 out of 4 say some variation of "how could you consider using anything else?" The only complaint that I heard from this admittedly small sample is a day's worth of discomfort following insertion.

As far as IUD's, let's not forget there are two types: paragaurd (copper) IUD and Mirena (levonorgestrel eg hormonal) IUD. There are different side-effects associated with both although I have anecdotally heard that paragaurd's side effects are mild compared to oral contraceptives. Should someone not wish to use hormonal BC or if they cannot for various medical reasons-->paragaurd is what you are stuck with. And its great in many ways (no babies, no babies and no babies), but many women experience periods that last over a week and spotting in between as well as extremely painful cramps. I was on it for 6 years and I'm so happy I finally got it removed. In summary, IUD's are of course a great form of BC, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue more options. I don't think I'm stating anything earth shattering when I say, women wouldn't mind more non-hormonal based BC options.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I've asked my guy friends whether they would get this procedure, and none of them will. Guys expect women to mess with their bodies, but are not willing to make the sacrifice themselves when it comes down to it, even though this is more safe and harmless than pumping your body with hormones every day.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I am always surprised that every discussion of vasectomy, and even this solution, hand-waves away the experience one undergoes in the process. Before doing this yourself, at least know what your getting into: http://thebrowser.com/articles/final-cut For example, compare "one little injection" to "I don't scream, but I clamp my jaw so tightly it clicks. I arch my back so much I end up looking behind me at the door."

This is not a vasectomy. It's not even related to vasectomy. Please RTFA.

Isn't that a little much? The procedure sounds identical to a vasectomy except the very last step -- instead of cutting the vas deferens you inject this substance into them.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I do see a market with this, but it's got a lot of problems you'd need to navigate. Nothing a smart team couldn't figure out. Most of the time, men trust women when they say they're on birth control. Women get pregnant--a big deal. It's less likely (but not unheard of) that a woman wants to get pregnant and then lies about birth control. Men, on the other hand, would love to not use a condom. And men don't get pregna…

Isn't most non-condom birth control primarily intended for couples? All the other types prevent pregnancy only. Condoms prevent disease as well.

In theory, maybe. In practice, no. Condoms are way out of fashion these days among the young sexually active crowd.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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What I've described is why, in my opinion, birth control methods that target opposite genders are still mutually comparable.

By that standard, an IUD is better than this because of the battery of Stage III and postmarketing trials supporting its effectiveness. But I disagree with your standard and find it to create a false dichotomy where there need be none.

The dichotomy exists regardless of your not acknowledging it, though. I have _had_ these conversations and made these comparisons. My current girlfriend and I switched from condoms to the pill, despite the extra responsibility for her and the definite potential for side effects, because it's a better form of contraception, period. The very instant we can switch to RISUG we will, because all available data indicates that it's better in an absolute sense.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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post #45

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Isn't most non-condom birth control primarily intended for couples? All the other types prevent pregnancy only. Condoms prevent disease as well.

Hormone based birth control for women has ancillary health benefits outside of family planning.

As well as a lot of drawbacks and side-effects.

Re: The Best Birth Control In The World Is For Men

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I've asked my guy friends whether they would get this procedure, and none of them will. Guys expect women to mess with their bodies, but are not willing to make the sacrifice themselves when it comes down to it, even though this is more safe and harmless than pumping your body with hormones every day.

Not sure why some guys have so many reservations about this, it sounds like a simple and reversible procedure with a quick recovery. I'd get it if it were available in Canada.
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