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Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #47
pixl97 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had one of these moments where I was like "Why does anyone use apps like tic tok/instagram/whatever and not just surf the web? Then I browsed on the web without on a computer without an adblocker after years of having it on my phone and computer. My thought was then reversed, "Why isn't the web dead, why do people that don't know how to adblock subject themselves to this crap".

You can ask an important related question: Why are there people that don't know how to adblock? Usually information this important will spread to the people that need it. That hasn't happened here. What's blocking it?

Its not default.

My mother doesn't know how to turn off the phone, toggle airplane mode/wifi or use the app switcher... She refuses to learn because its not worth her time. I have family, friends and such that similarly refuse to learn basic things, much less go seek out an ad blocker and learn how to use it for an interface (the web browser) they think they rarely use.

Also, on mobile, it is kinda tricky because you can install an adblock browser, but the app selection is kinda iffy, and it won't replace the unfiltered system webview.

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

#52

Post by wingerlang »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #48
charcircuit wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What accounts were deleted from where? All Mojang and Minecraft accounts were deleted from Mojang's servers. >which surely would have been major news. I wish it was. In a few months people will want to revisit the game and then realize they have to rebuy the game if they want to play it again.

>All Mojang and Minecraft accounts were deleted from Mojang's servers As somebody who's never touched Minecraft, surely all Minecraft accounts are Minecraft/Mojang accounts? If everybody playing suddenly needed to rebuy the game Tuesday it would have been big news.

I assume the ability to create new "Mojang" accounts has been closed a looong time ago in favor of the Microsoft logins. The migration from those accounts started over a year ago and they have sent multiple emails about this migration.

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

#53

Post by fomine3 »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #51
thaumasiotes wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can ask an important related question: Why are there people that don't know how to adblock? Usually information this important will spread to the people that need it. That hasn't happened here. What's blocking it?

Its not default. My mother doesn't know how to turn off the phone, toggle airplane mode/wifi or use the app switcher... She refuses to learn because its not worth her time. I have family, friends and such that similarly refuse to learn basic things, much less go seek out an ad blocker and learn how to use it for an interface (the web browser) they think they rarely use. Also, on mobile, it is kinda tricky because you…

Agree that it's not very easy for average user. Also it sometimes causes problem due to false positive or ad blocker blocking.

On Android, WebView provider can be changed. On iPhone, SafariView supports ad blocking so it's a problem for apps that uses iOS WebView. Most apps should use SafariView for displaying external websites.

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

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Post by apohak »

jjice wrote: post #43

Fandom (I really prefer their old name, "Wikia") is a great concept. Deal with hosting the wiki so you can focus on content. The problem is that they need to make money, and to do that, they do it with some of the most obnoxious ads on any reputable site on the modern internet. Using their site on a mobile browser is one of the worst web experiences I've ever had. Autoplaying video ad banners on the top with a smalle…

"The problem is that they need to make money"

Stupid question, why do they need to make money? I thought they are maintained by volunteers. For hosting?

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

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Post by rendall »

mcmoor wrote: post #34
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #4

Here's a good summary of controversy surrounding Fandom and why fandoms tend to leave: https://www.koopatv.org/2022/10/why-people-dont-like-fandom-... And it doesn't even really touch on how Fandom, sometimes, refuses to delete the old wiki for traffic purposes, and leaves it up as a "zombie" wiki that smothers the new wiki due to SEO, or the more serious conflicts between some admins and contributors in some other s…

Anyone who tries to worship Jimmy Wales for Wikipedia should know that if he really have his way, he'd turn it into this horrible mess of Fandom, which he also founded. Luckily the volunteers rightfully take Wikipedia from him. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wikipedia-spanish-fork

There have been shenanigans where articles describing fictional lore have been taken down or merged with other articles due to being against Wikipedia policy ("Wikipedia is not a game manual"). e.g. see endless discussion on the Dungeons and Dragons Plane article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Plane_(Dungeons_%26_Drago...

For instance, under that policy, this article was taken down https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plane_of_Shadow&o... and "merged" (with loss of information) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#P...

I saw a comment accusing Wales of enforcing this policy in order to direct traffic to Fandom. I thought when I read it that the accusation was uncalled for, but given Fandom's intransigence about taking old wikis down and the money-grubbing quality of its UX, I have wondered. Whatever the merits of this policy, it is applied inconsistently or not at all to topics not likely to be in Fandom.

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

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Post by jjice »

apohak wrote: post #55
jjice wrote: post #43

Fandom (I really prefer their old name, "Wikia") is a great concept. Deal with hosting the wiki so you can focus on content. The problem is that they need to make money, and to do that, they do it with some of the most obnoxious ads on any reputable site on the modern internet. Using their site on a mobile browser is one of the worst web experiences I've ever had. Autoplaying video ad banners on the top with a smalle…

"The problem is that they need to make money" Stupid question, why do they need to make money? I thought they are maintained by volunteers. For hosting?

Content is volunteer, but I believe the company's infrastructure and software (I believe they use a modified MediaWiki based on an HN comment from an employee a few years ago) are all from a for-profit company. Wikipedia and the Wikimedia foundation are the non-profits you may be thinking of.

From the Fandom Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom_(website)):

> The privately held, for-profit Delaware company was founded in October 2004 by Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales and Angela Beesley. Fandom was acquired in 2018 by TPG Inc. and Jon Miller through Integrated Media Co.

But note that Jimmy Wales was a founder as well.

Re: Minecraft Wiki has decided to leave Fandom

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Post by msp26 »

Excellent. I hope to see more games following suit away from the bloated messes of fandom/fextralife. At times they feel unusable on mobile. And I don't think a single user has wanted to see the embedded twitch streams when they're just trying to get some information quickly.
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