Pay the artists properly, stop spending money on military tech, then I might listen. I release music on every platform except Spotify, they're a nasty, grubby little company.
Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Walmart, Costco, et al wish they had a 30% profit on everything the sold. Is the work the same for them too? They all charge a percentage of sticker price. Oh and none of those stickers say free. The tension I see is that Apple’s work is correlated with number of developers and number of users. They very much have a long tail of developers and apps with effectively no users or income, but who still cost Apple money…
This would all make sense but why doesn’t Apple get 30% of software subscriptions on MacOS or subscriptions initiated through the Safari browser. The dev work is the same for building those thing as iOS and Apple fields support questions about those things from naive users like the Snapchat users you described. If the iOS 30% cut is justified then it makes no sense not to charge say Notion or OpenAI for subscriptions…
Genuinely, the answer is that Apple can’t enforce it. They totally would if they could but website makers don’t sign contracts with the browser companies.
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#54Oh what? Pot meet kettle. Pretending to not be in it for the dough is ingenuous. They don't pay artists well and they have a near monopoly hold on music streaming such that they have no impetus to fix their abysmal software. Just admit you want a bigger slice of the pie and not like you're saving the internet.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. What makes Apple entitled to a cut of Spotify's revenue?
What makes Walmart entitled to a cut of General Mills revenue?
Walmart is to General Mills as is Spotify to artists.
Apple is to Spotify as is the construction company which made the building Walmart is using to Walmart.
I have not heard of construction companies claiming entitlement to a cut of Walmart's turnover.
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#56Was the 30% of everyone's revenue ever explained? Why not 90%? Were they looking at common tax fractions, Laffer curve, etc?
Steve Jobs just came up with the number. There was no deep reasoning behind it.
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Which has the exact same pricing structure?
Which suggests it is not in fact an Apple problem.
Sort of. One can use an alternate store on Android. Otherwise I would see google in the same boat. Apple could allow such side-loading but I kinda get the feeling they don't want to take the revenue hit. (I know arguments appealing to user security; it's hard to ignore the convenience of these arguments with regard to them retaining revenue.)
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#59The biggest issue is that Apple can compete directly with companies like Spotify without playing by any of the rules they force on their competitors.
The owner of a marketplace should not be able to compete on that marketplace without strict separation of power. Apple has huge advantages compared to Spotify when it can advertise any way it wants, doesn't pay commission fees, and can give itself priority for integration with systems like Siri.
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#60>-Tell customers what our prices are to upgrade Premium membership options; surely if I upgrade it tells me the price before I purchase the upgrade? they are complaining that they can't advertise it in the app? >-Let our customers request an email or other communication telling them about the ways they can save money; seems like "let our customers request" is doing a lot of work here >-Provide our customers with diff…
> surely if I upgrade it tells me the price before I purchase the upgrade? they are complaining that they can't advertise it in the app? You're basically not allowed to list your prices or describe how to subscribe ( unless it's via Apple's in-app purchases, where they take 30% for doing nothing). > ah, so no crypto? No, and no credit/debit cards, PayPal, etc. either. Only Apple's in-app purchases are allowed on Appl…
>You're basically not allowed to list your prices or describe how to subscribe (unless it's via Apple's in-app purchases, where they take 30% for doing nothing).
I'm not here to argue the app store pricing, it's been discussed to death. that being said, I disagree with you that they do nothing.
>No, and no credit/debit cards, PayPal, etc. either. Only Apple's in-app purchases are allowed on Apple platforms. You're not allowed to hint that other payment options are available, either.
How do you think people pay for things on the app store if not with a credit or debit card? You can also use paypal (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202631). Seems like you are just going off your own misunderstanding of Spotify's phrasing. As to the other options, that seems consistent with not being able to market off-app purchase options. What would those other payment options be, btw? I just checked and on their website they only take credit cards and paypal...