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Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by jesterson »

prmoustache wrote: post #48
jesterson wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> France has a huge success story with immigrants as well Oh boy, I would like to hear the "success story" even much more than I would like to continue discussing other things :)

The whole history of France is a success story of immigration. The fact is that the 25% of far right xenophobes in France's population made it turn for the worse by souring our relationship with people from different cultures and religions.

> The whole history of France is a success story of immigration

Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth.

But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before. Indeed human delusions have no borders whatsoever.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by jesterson »

prmoustache wrote: post #50
zo1 wrote: post #44

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You couldn't pay me to live in France, it's a **hole. I know that's a low-effort comment, but it's important for some people to know what opinions others have outside of their "rainbows and butterflies" worldview.

I think you are simply the kind of people France do not need so that is fair. We have enough xenophobes.

You do see how stating that makes you a xenophobe, don’t you?

What makes you think you have rights to decide what people France needs and what doesn’t?

Can’t believe discussions on HN have deteriorated that far.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by jesterson »

mortureb wrote: post #45
zo1 wrote: post #42

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Have you not noticed the issues Europe is having? And no one is even studying or discussing it, it's too taboo. The West is in decline, and they're sealing their own fate because they're allowing themselves to be bullied, turning the other cheek out of politeness.

The issues in Europe seem to be caused by Russia. What’s your point?

Russia is destroying Europe by sending thousands of uneducated migrants over course of many years? Putin is a villain indeed :)

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by prmoustache »

jesterson wrote: post #52
prmoustache wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are simply the kind of people France do not need so that is fair. We have enough xenophobes.

You do see how stating that makes you a xenophobe, don’t you? What makes you think you have rights to decide what people France needs and what doesn’t? Can’t believe discussions on HN have deteriorated that far.

Well if you think a country is a s*hole, yes that country doesn't need you. And it is not about where that person comes from, but about his agenda.

But nice try reversing the semantics.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by prmoustache »

jesterson wrote: post #51
prmoustache wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole history of France is a success story of immigration. The fact is that the 25% of far right xenophobes in France's population made it turn for the worse by souring our relationship with people from different cultures and religions.

> The whole history of France is a success story of immigration Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth. But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before. Indeed human delusions have no borders whatsoever.

Didn't you blatantly stated anything just a few comments before?

>Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth.

Open a damn history book, do I have to mention 20 centuries of history?

> But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before.

Well far-right people have been making sure immigrants are not welcome, make them life miserable, ruin their own existence, present them with fewer job opportunities, lie about their reason of being in the country, laugh at them, insult them, make sure they are not welcome in any other neighborhood than the ghettos they have been parked in in the sixties, make sure the schools in these neighborhoods are underfounded, make them has hard as possible to be integrated as school.

Then oh surprise, after 70 years of this shit, they complain that a fraction of these immigrants have turned sour, extremists or are criminals.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by jesterson »

prmoustache wrote: post #54
jesterson wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do see how stating that makes you a xenophobe, don’t you? What makes you think you have rights to decide what people France needs and what doesn’t? Can’t believe discussions on HN have deteriorated that far.

Well if you think a country is a s*hole, yes that country doesn't need you. And it is not about where that person comes from, but about his agenda. But nice try reversing the semantics.

Wow, just wow.

I’ll end the discussion right here. It’s with sadness we must admit european future is very grim

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by zo1 »

prmoustache wrote: post #49
zo1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you not noticed the issues Europe is having? And no one is even studying or discussing it, it's too taboo. The West is in decline, and they're sealing their own fate because they're allowing themselves to be bullied, turning the other cheek out of politeness.

Most of the issues are the consequences of racism and far rights politics and supporter, not immigration.

Are they? Even if it were the case, there are a lot of people in Europe that simple don't want or like black/brown people and people of other religions.

Most people I interact with that trust me enough to open up to me say as much. They're just being bullied and gaslit by niceness and the media.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by skissane »

rayiner wrote: post #4
mortureb wrote: post #2

It’s sad to see a country just fade away. I hope they can convince their people to breed more or let in more immigrants while still maintaining their culture.

> let in more immigrants while still maintaining their culture. Impossible.

Japan already has significant ethnic Korean and ethnic Chinese minorities. And Japanese culture has absorbed a great many influences from both Korea and China over the last 1000 years, so I doubt some more Korean or Chinese immigrants would make any great long-term difference to Japan's culture. It would just be more of what has already been.

How many individuals from those ethnic backgrounds might actually want to emigrate to Japan, I don't know.

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by skissane »

I_am_uncreative wrote: post #6
scottlawson wrote: post #5

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They are referring to: a) the fact that Japan's birthrate is below the number needed to sustain the current population b) the fact that Japan is ethnically homogenous (98.5% ethnically Japanese), and has very limited channels for immigration, meaning that japan, with the policies that exist today, will not be able to significantly mitigate the population decline by accepting immigrants. Japan takes a very different a…

Yeah, the US and Canada are the only two first world countries not slated for long-term population decline due to immigration. Japan is going to have to be more welcoming of non-Japanese people.

> Yeah, the US and Canada are the only two first world countries not slated for long-term population decline due to immigration.

Australia's immigration rate, on a per capita basis, is more than double that of the US, and somewhat ahead of Canada's. [0] It has a lower total fertility rate [1] than the US (1.73 for Australia vs 1.84 for US), but still a higher TFR than Canada (1.57), and I suspect having double the immigration rate is probably going to make up for the somewhat lower fertility. And I think you are missing more countries than just Australia.

While in absolute terms, the US accepts more immigrants than any other country in the world, on a per capita basis, its net immigration rate isn't particularly high, and is below that of many Western European countries.

Likewise, US total fertility, while high by Western standards, is not the highest in the Western world; France is significantly higher at 2.02; Ireland and Iceland also beat the US at fertility, and Norway is only just behind the US.

[0] https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/net-migration-r...

[1] https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/total-fertility...

Re: People aged 80 and over top 10% of Japan's population for first time

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Post by ddd00001 »

Tor3 wrote: post #21
rayiner wrote: post #4

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> let in more immigrants while still maintaining their culture. Impossible.

Not impossible. Other countries could. Also remember that culture is a living thing, it's not static. It changes and adjusts and adapts and incorporates. My little hometown was just us "natives" in my childhood, now at the other end of time it has people and languages from more than a hundred countries, and we're all "natives" to this town. Very different from before, but much more interesting and I don't feel we hav…

I don't have a dog in this fight, but you just said "not impossible", then admitted that culture would change with influx of migrants.
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