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AWS IPv4 Estate Now Worth $4.5B

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Re: AWS IPv4 Estate Now Worth $4.5B

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Post by speff »

tryptophan wrote: post #27
jedberg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't run IPv6 on my home network. I try it about once a year, enabling it at the router (it's already enabled on my laptop). And then random stuff just doesn't work. Various websites hang, various widgets just don't load, etc. Then I turn it off and everything gets better again. I'be been too lazy to diagnose why exactly it doesn't work, I just figure it's easier to run with it off. At some point a website I reall…

Debian would just not run due to apt repositories being borked if ipv6 was turned on.

My network is dual stack and all my VMs are Debian. No issues here.

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Post by tialaramex »

candiddevmike wrote: post #23
yla92 wrote: post #17

Some noob questions here. How does one buy a block of IPv4 as an individual? (If that's allowed) After you purchase it, how does it come into your possession? How do you utilize them?

1. You most likely can't. You typically need to prove to a numbering authority that you need that many IPs (minimum /24) for X reason and you will be multihomed (connected to two+ ISPs) by Y date. 2. You are assigned a BGP Autonomous System Number (ASN) as part of the process. The IPs are assigned to your ASN. 3. You sign a peering contract with ISPs and peer with them using BGP on your router. You use your ASN to an…

> Either require ISPs to give static allocations

Just buy service which does what you actually want - rather than insisting it should be mandatory which means everybody has to pay for it. I have static allocations (both IPv6 and, very small, IPv4) because I care. Most people don't care.

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Post by Marvy_a »

nfRfqX5n wrote: post #30

Extremely surprised that I could load that massive json list of ips on my phone instantly

Out of interest, I opened link with this json file and scrolled till the end of it on a very cheap Android tablet from 2012 with Allwinner A10 (One 1GHz core) and 512mb of RAM, using lightweight Via browser without much trouble.

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Post by scrps »

j_thirkle wrote: post #8

Is it possible that someone could start some kind of IPv4 ETF? Would be interesting to see - call it the Web 1.0 ETF.

Turning a critical peice of internet infrastructure into a financial toy for wall st would be a bit akin to taking all the physical barriers to access off of the nuclear football, authenticating it, and leaving it in a room full of bored children.

Don't do that.

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Post by ianburrell »

azlev wrote: post #48
Gigachad wrote: post #5

Hopefully hosting providers putting an actual price on v4 usage will be the push that gets things rolling to v6.

I don't like this solution because it will cost me money and time to setup myself a modem that can handle properly ipv6 or switch to a more expensive provider. Send the bill to end users is not what should be done. All this ipv6 endeavour already cost me a lot of time learning and troubleshooting software, and sometimes realizing that some modems doesn't have a good ipv6 stack and the best solution is to turn it off.

Charging for IPv4 is mostly going to affect hosting providers. Until recently, AWS users were charged nothing for public IP so there was no incentive to conserve.

The price for IP for connections is already builtin to the price. Also, ISPs just use CGNAT to share IPs with multiple customers when they are short, It makes sense to charge more for static IP.

How long ago did you do try IPv6? These days it should just work. If your router doesn’t work, get a better router since it is broken.

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Post by oasisbob »

Something1234 wrote: post #46
015a wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, one example is Cloudflare and 1.1.1.1; though the story behind that is less about money and far more interesting. Apparently, APNIC had owned 1.1.1.1 for, basically, forever, but were never able to actually use it for anything because it caught so much garbage traffic. Cloudflare is one of only a handful of service providers that could announce the IP and handle the traffic; so in exchange for helping APNIC's r…

I would really like to see the results of this research to understand what is going on there.

https://labs.ripe.net/author/franz/pollution-in-18/

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Post by notyourwork »

atyvr wrote: post #24
yla92 wrote: post #17

Some noob questions here. How does one buy a block of IPv4 as an individual? (If that's allowed) After you purchase it, how does it come into your possession? How do you utilize them?

You'll need to become a member of one of the regional Internet route registries, like RIPE or ARIN. Then you can buy, say a /24, and transfer it into your RIPE/ARIN account. Now you have your own IPv4 range. And you can start for example start to use it for your own servers. To do so you need to "announce" this new /24 to the internet, using a protocol known as BGP. You can do that yourself, using a router, assuming…

Thank you for this reply. I learned a lot from it.

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Post by keep_reading »

leoh wrote: post #31

fwiw, ATT charges me $15 for ~8 fixed ipv4 addresses on my gigabit plan. Even if we amortize against the total monthly bill of $113, we get ~$15 per IP. EDIT: I guess this is the cost to _rent_ an IP per month and not the cost of _owning_ an IPv4 address.

$30 for a /27 on ATT. Totally worth it.

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Post by greyface- »

j_thirkle wrote: post #8

Is it possible that someone could start some kind of IPv4 ETF? Would be interesting to see - call it the Web 1.0 ETF.

RIRs oversee all IP ownership changes, and will generally not approve them unless they satisfy a documented technical need. So far, this has (mostly) prevented people from financializing IPv4.
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