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Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by stanac »

hotheadhacker wrote: post #40
judge2020 wrote: post #5

> Got it. So they want to show the lawyers that they’re doing something to “combat piracy” even though they know it will do absolutely nothing and result in a bunch of pissed off legitimate customers. What would be a better solution, legitimately? Plex is ripe for lawsuits from media giants in every corner of the world, so even if their software isn’t illegal, they’re always going to have a target on their back and e…

It's like you're making YouTube responsible for any leaked movies? It's always the user who does it. Plex is just a platform.

And YT is actively removing pirated content. I am not saying this move by plex is the same thing, but at least it looks like they are doing something about piracy.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by TechBro8615 »

hendersoon wrote: post #44
judge2020 wrote: post #5

> Got it. So they want to show the lawyers that they’re doing something to “combat piracy” even though they know it will do absolutely nothing and result in a bunch of pissed off legitimate customers. What would be a better solution, legitimately? Plex is ripe for lawsuits from media giants in every corner of the world, so even if their software isn’t illegal, they’re always going to have a target on their back and e…

Determine the type of behavior that likely indicates a server is shared with many different people, which should be extremely easy, then send that user a series of warnings culminating in banning their Plex account if they don't comply, with a transparent easy appeals process in case they get it wrong.

Alternatively: don't have Plex accounts in the first place. Distribute the software in such a way that it can be deployed silently and independently of any connection to the company that creates it. (In ancient times, this was actually the normal way of distributing software - you went to the store and bought a CD with a program on it, and then you could run that program on your hardware without ever interacting with the company that made it.)

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by newsclues »

nilsb wrote: post #49
Rebelgecko wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How effective is Jellyfin as an alternative? When I tried it un the past it still had some rough edges (especially the app)

As far as UI/UX is concerned their tvOS app is in a really rough shape. The web UI has a fairly reasonable program guide (edit: for Live TV), while the app doesn't. Also navigation in the app doesn't feel polished at all unfortunately.

I think the Apps are inconsistent, some of the newer Apple ones are great, the computer ones are first tier, but some of the multiple TV OSes are lagging.

I wish there was an open hardware option that was a target for devs to support for projects like Jellyfin but also funded them when you bought it.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by paxys »

Aeolun wrote: post #35
judge2020 wrote: post #5

> Got it. So they want to show the lawyers that they’re doing something to “combat piracy” even though they know it will do absolutely nothing and result in a bunch of pissed off legitimate customers. What would be a better solution, legitimately? Plex is ripe for lawsuits from media giants in every corner of the world, so even if their software isn’t illegal, they’re always going to have a target on their back and e…

> What would be a better solution, legitimately? Incorporate in a country where companies/people cannot bring frivolous lawsuits? Seriously, it's pretty well established at this point that providing a video streaming service product is not illegal. Plex is not the one providing the content.

A company can be the target of lawsuits regardless of where they are incorporated. Or otherwise they can get their domains blocked or seized.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by TechBro8615 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #23
whalesalad wrote: post #12

https://jellyfin.org/

I've given this a legitimate shot two times, both self-hosting and via a professional host and both times on I have massive streaming problems on a 1 gig connection. It, on paper, has competitive features to Plex but Plex streams almost as reliably as Netflix does.

I run it on my laptop, and when I want to watch a new episode of a TV show, or a movie, I search for it on 1337x.to, find the mp4 with the most seeders, copy the magnet link, paste it into Transmission and then press enter. Within half an hour, the file is in the folder where Jellyfin knows to look for it. Then I open Jellyfin on my phone and watch the content in bed.

This works for me because I've never cared about hoarding a library of TV shows and movies that I've already seen. I just download what I want when I want it.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by paxys »

hotheadhacker wrote: post #40
judge2020 wrote: post #5

> Got it. So they want to show the lawyers that they’re doing something to “combat piracy” even though they know it will do absolutely nothing and result in a bunch of pissed off legitimate customers. What would be a better solution, legitimately? Plex is ripe for lawsuits from media giants in every corner of the world, so even if their software isn’t illegal, they’re always going to have a target on their back and e…

It's like you're making YouTube responsible for any leaked movies? It's always the user who does it. Plex is just a platform.

How many pirated movies do you see on YouTube? The platform very actively blocks such content.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by TechBro8615 »

tombert wrote: post #46
mizzack wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that during direct play or transcoding? Are you running a reverse proxy in front of it? I'd check those things first.

> Is that during direct play or transcoding? During transcoding, but I'm having a hell of a time disabling that. I've looked around for a configuration to just broadly disable transcoding, since pretty much everything I use to play JellyFin is libavcodec or ffmpeg based anyway and can happily decode stuff client side. > Are you running a reverse proxy in front of it? Not within my home network.

I'm not certain, but I think it will avoid transcoding for certain "Web-native" formats that your client device can already play. For example, if you download an mp4 then you should be able to watch it on your iPhone without Jellyfin needing to transcode it.

Re: Plex announced to block instances on German hosting provider Hetzner

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Post by OrderlyTiamat »

tombert wrote: post #46
mizzack wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that during direct play or transcoding? Are you running a reverse proxy in front of it? I'd check those things first.

> Is that during direct play or transcoding? During transcoding, but I'm having a hell of a time disabling that. I've looked around for a configuration to just broadly disable transcoding, since pretty much everything I use to play JellyFin is libavcodec or ffmpeg based anyway and can happily decode stuff client side. > Are you running a reverse proxy in front of it? Not within my home network.

If disabling transcoding ever becomes a thing in jellyfin I'd probably switch from plex immediately.
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