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Greatest “Classic” Mac Laptop: Powerbook G3 Pismo (2021)

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Mostly OT, but the SuperDisk (LS-120 and LS-240) were the best of the super-floppies:

- Over 100MB is useful for a lot of things - Backwards compatible with standard 3.5" floppies (though I'm a PC user; they were apparently spotty with old-school 400/800K Mac GCR formatted floppies) - Eventually could store up to 32MB on a cheap 1.44MB floppy (but required writing all 32MB in one go; kind of like a very limited SMR)

They were just far too late to the game, as Zip had established itself and affordable CD Burners were hot on their heels.

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My favorite Mac laptop was my first one, a 12" G4 Powerbook. Perfect in every way. I still miss that laptop, used it up until OS X Tiger went EOL, and even a little past that with TenFourFox browser.

I love the old G4 aluminum macbooks, but man, aluminum was a bad choice for the hinges. You won't find one in 2023 that isn't broken off. Sort of like how you can't find certain models of beige PowerPC Macs that haven't had their outer plastic crumble to dust.

The various AIO LC/Performa models and the G3 Molar Mac are particularly susceptible to brittle plastics with how heavy the integrated CRTs in those are. Have seen too many disaster photos where someone had bought one of those on eBay only to have it arrive in a million pieces due to the stresses of shipping. Definitely the sort of thing one should only buy locally.

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve spent years trying to get back to the sub-12” notebooks of that era. I’ve recently settled on using an iPad Pro 10 inch. I would prefer a proper OS but 95% of what I do I can do with iOS.

I was really happy with the now discontinued 12" macbook. Yes it was dog slow, but I did a lot of development on it* and it happily traveled with me around the world and back and forth. It was so light I would often have to check my bag to see if I'd forgotten it. That happens very occasionally with my MBA as well, and is a reason I didn't upgrade to the 15-incher. I think the ipad pro with the "magic keyboard" weigh…

I would love to see Apple revisit this form factor with the much more capable Apple Silicon processors. I had the 12in 2017 Macbook, and it was just about perfect in every way except performance. A remarkable little machine.

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I have one of these PowerBooks, the 500 MHz Pismo. I bought it the day it was discontinued (intentionally), using a friend who could get it with a student discount. My memory is it cost me $2,000 between the end-of-life status and student discount. I keep it around to have an OS 9 machine and the occasional urge to play Descent (the only computer game I’ve ever played). Pretty certain I have mine set up with OS X 10.4 Tiger along with OS 9. In truth, I haven’t booted it in years.

For its time, it was a speedy Mac. Sure, the spinning hard drive wasn’t ideal, but that was the norm back then. As others have noted, getting inside to replace something like RAM was easy, by little more than just lifting up the keyboard. Built-in Firewire proved beneficial since I got an external disc burner as the machine didn’t have one natively. Likewise, I later got the add-on Airport card (802.11b), which was my first exposure to WiFi internet and felt liberating, no longer tethered to a modem. Installation of that Airport card is another example of how the flip-up keyboard made this upgrade easy.

The big feature I think most users appreciated were the hot-swappable bays. By default on my machine, one had a battery and the other the CD/DVD drive. There were plenty of useful capabilities with these, notably a second battery—maybe you’d get 10 hours unplugged—or things like a ZIP drive. To swap an item in a bay was as simple as pulling a small lever to eject an item, and merely inserting another item until it clicked into place. All told, a couple of seconds.

One notable, unavoidable downside to the machine was its weight—put it in a laptop bag of that era along with a power cord and weight was going to be at least 10 pounds all in, to say nothing of other things one might want on the go. This wasn’t outrageous for its time, but it shows how much bulkier and heavier things were then. And while the keyboard was well-designed for accessing the machine’s innards, it wasn’t a particularly good keyboard to type on because it was a thin plastic that had a lot of flex to it.

In Apple behavior that continues to this day, the default memory capacities were on the low end. It was officially capable of 512 MB of RAM (unofficially 1 GB), but shipped with 128 MB. Hard drives were either 12 GB or 20 GB.

For its time in the Mac world, the machine was great (I can’t compare it to Windows notebooks of that era). But things have changed, as they usually do. That screen looks pathetic today, it’s loud and easily louder from being taxed, there was no MagSafe, plastic is less pleasant in long-term use, etc. But for the capabilities most users wanted at the turn of the century, it was a great machine if you were a Mac user.

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My favorite Mac laptop was my first one, a 12" G4 Powerbook. Perfect in every way. I still miss that laptop, used it up until OS X Tiger went EOL, and even a little past that with TenFourFox browser.

The 12" MacBook was in a lot of ways the spiritual successor to the 12" PowerBook and was hard to beat for portability. It's a shame it was hobbled by the hot and weak Intel CPUs of its era and butterfly keyboard… if they resurrected that form factor with an M-series CPU and improved keyboards of modern MacBooks it'd be a wonderful little machine.

Yeah the keyboard on the 12" PB was delightful, and the 12" MB was quite the opposite!

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post #54

I have one of these PowerBooks, the 500 MHz Pismo. I bought it the day it was discontinued (intentionally), using a friend who could get it with a student discount. My memory is it cost me $2,000 between the end-of-life status and student discount. I keep it around to have an OS 9 machine and the occasional urge to play Descent (the only computer game I’ve ever played). Pretty certain I have mine set up with OS X 10.…

With modern batteries of that size you are likely to get more like 30 hours. The last set of NewerTech batteries I had in my Pismo lasted effectively forever. And 15 years of battery technology have passed since then.

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post #53
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was really happy with the now discontinued 12" macbook. Yes it was dog slow, but I did a lot of development on it* and it happily traveled with me around the world and back and forth. It was so light I would often have to check my bag to see if I'd forgotten it. That happens very occasionally with my MBA as well, and is a reason I didn't upgrade to the 15-incher. I think the ipad pro with the "magic keyboard" weigh…

I would love to see Apple revisit this form factor with the much more capable Apple Silicon processors. I had the 12in 2017 Macbook, and it was just about perfect in every way except performance. A remarkable little machine.

The current MBAs are actually fairly close to this category of laptop:

12 inch Powerbooks: 4.6 lbs., 1.18" H x 10.9" W x 8.6" D

12 inch Macbook: 2.03 lbs., 0.14-0.52" H x 11.04" W x 7.74" D

Current MBA M2: 2.7 lbs., 0.44" H x 11.97" W x 8.46" D

So widest of them all, in the middle for weight and depth.

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I had a Pismo and it was great, but IMHO the greatest of that generation was the 2400c which was the smallest powerbook, great for anyone who spent a lot of time flying around. It was designed and built by IBM Japan, which was lucky for me when I spilled tea into mine...while I was in Tokyo. I was able to get a same day repair by walking it over to some random shop in the Akihabara (apple sent me there) where some gu…

Came here to also praise the 2400c. I finally restored mine to working condition just last week after finding a donor screen from a parts machine. Excellent build quality thanks to IBM Japan who thankfully incorporated the inverted T arrow keys, a first for an Apple notebook, which still persists to today's MacBooks. The 2400c excellent build quality also doesn't suffer from poor hinges like the PowerBook 500/5300/14…

+1 for the 2400c. Picked one up when I moved to SF in early 2020 and restored it (SSD + more RAM).

The one complaint is that the keyboard (both US and Japanese) is just a tad small for comfort. The Wallstreet/Pismo keyboards were much better and a favourite of mine.

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I am nostalgic for this former age too, but I don’t want it back. I don’t lack for ports, swappable bays, or removable media. Sure, the Pismo could be upgraded via a new daughter card and the hard drive was easy to access but that’s because you needed to upgrade every year. Before my new M1 Macbook Air I had a 2012 Macbook Pro that lasted me about eight years. On another note: In the early 2000s I had a Lombard, 2400c, and Thinkpad 600. There is no doubt the 600 was the best built of the three. Both of the Mac’s felt cheap by comparison mostly due to their plastic (though, the Lombard screen was nicer than the 600.) I remember picking up the first aluminum unibody Macbook and thinking “finally something that is as nice as the 600!”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve spent years trying to get back to the sub-12” notebooks of that era. I’ve recently settled on using an iPad Pro 10 inch. I would prefer a proper OS but 95% of what I do I can do with iOS.

You might like the ThinkPad X230 which is a pretty nice compromise between compactness and modernity (can run latest Linux/BSD, probably Windows though not sure why someone would want to do that lol) .. has been my daily driver for a couple years. :)

I also have an X230 that I bought from a local recycler. Its small but also a bit on the chunky side when it comes to weight and thickness. I do enjoy using it though. I put a SATA SSD and a mSATA SSD in it, upped the RAM to 16GB, replaced the Bluetooth adapter with a USB plug that I have a Logitech Unify Adapter plugged into, and replaced the stock BIOS with Skulls (which also nuked most of the Intel ME) https://github.com/merge/skulls/

Since its running Coreboot/SeaBIOS now it won't boot Windows. That's fine though became it runs the XFCE edition of Manjaro just fine.

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