To those who haven't seen it, I'd really recommend Lemmino's video on the assassination https://youtu.be/5u7euN1HTuU?feature=shared
He dives pretty deep into the details, and it helped me form my own opinion of what probably happened
New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I completely agree with you that it was Oswald but the weird parts of this story are: 1. Oswald defection from the army and time in the Soviet Union 2. Oswald going to the Cuban and Soviet embassies before the murder (possibly starting a third world war) 3. The subsequent assassination of Oswald This can be mostly explained by a mental disorder but it is still a messed up story
> This can be mostly explained by a mental disorder Kinda like the Reichstag fire huh
I look at it like the crazy general in Dr Strangelove that is trying to start a world war
I highly doubt that a secret in the caliber of “let’s kill the President” can be kept by so many people for such a long time. In my experience large organizations of people just don’t work that way
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This can be mostly explained by a mental disorder Kinda like the Reichstag fire huh
I look at it like the crazy general in Dr Strangelove that is trying to start a world war I highly doubt that a secret in the caliber of “let’s kill the President” can be kept by so many people for such a long time. In my experience large organizations of people just don’t work that way
> large organizations
I don’t think large organisations can act in such a coordinated manner at all but they can be manipulated.
Cartels with a lot to lose can take their secrets to the grave, in particular if their constituents have a lot to lose. Everyone else has “unfortunate accidents”.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#54It sounds as silly as precisely identifying and numbering who killed Caesar. Those murders changed the history. Just like those non-murders would have done. History took its turns back then. Knowing the precise identity and number of killers won't give any extra useful detail. IMHO.
> Knowing the precise identity and number of killers won't give any extra useful detail. Yes it does matter, if the official story established by the Warren commission is not true, it does matter to know why was Kennedy assassinated and by whom exactly, because Kennedy's death has had so many worldwide implications, that this isn't even just about USA. If that story is ever debunked one day, factually, it will change…
> Kennedy's death has had so many worldwide implications
Which implications exactly?
> If the government lied about all that, then what other things the US government lied about? It will shake the very foundations of that country.
I mean... we already know that the government has lied about countless things.
However, Paul Landis is not claiming that the government lied. He's merely claiming that he himself withheld important information from the government.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#55The problem with conversations about this topic and similar topics (9/11) is that almost no-one who cares about the topic deeply enough to have an argument about it online is interested because they're just super into ballistics and forensics and don't care about the political implications. It's all motivated reasoning because they don't like the _implications_ of the official story for whatever reason (or, alternati…
> Probably if you're about to comment on this post, you've got some motivated reasoning behind it that has nothing to do with finding out what really happened. I'm not sure that's true in this case. I remember 9/11, but I wasn't even born yet when the Kennedy assassination happened. I doubt that many people under age 70 remember that personally. It doesn't really have emotional salience for most people now. For me, i…
> Even if there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, I don't see how it's relevant to current politics...
A group with that much power - to kill a president then get it covered up - is not going to just fade away quietly. It'd have to be a powerful group and powerful groups have a habit of lasting beyond the lives of the members.
If it turned out that there was a conspiracy it is actually quite likely that the group that organised it are still active. Picking on one from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_... that would make a good story ... if it was the Israelis there'd be no reason to believe they stopped. It'd put Jeff Epstein's kompromat operation in a new light if they were trying to manage US politics.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Knowing the precise identity and number of killers won't give any extra useful detail. Yes it does matter, if the official story established by the Warren commission is not true, it does matter to know why was Kennedy assassinated and by whom exactly, because Kennedy's death has had so many worldwide implications, that this isn't even just about USA. If that story is ever debunked one day, factually, it will change…
> Kennedy's death has had so many worldwide implications Which implications exactly? > If the government lied about all that, then what other things the US government lied about? It will shake the very foundations of that country. I mean... we already know that the government has lied about countless things. However, Paul Landis is not claiming that the government lied. He's merely claiming that he himself withheld i…
Precisely.
They list of groups that might have pulled the trigger on Kennedy is dozens long. Knowing which one did, decades later, really changes nothing.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#57> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…
The revelation is that the bullet was not lodged
in JFK and did not fall out while shaking about
on the gurney.
This pristine bullet was previously thought to have been found on Connally's stretcher, not JFK's stretcher.
It was thought that this bullet traveled into JFK from the rear, exited his throat, and then wounded Connally.
If Landis' claim is true, that would upend entirely the Warren commission's findings. Of course, we probably can't really know the truth at this point. But the article makes a solid case for it being quite likely true.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#58> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…
And how does that upend anything? That it fell out already in the car does not seem dramatically different from it falling out after shaking Kennedy a bit.
According to the Warren Commission, the bullet was on Connally's stretcher and presumably fell out of Connally.
So if true (not that we can really know at this point) if the pristine bullet was retrieved from Kennedy's car then yes, that would upend everything.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I look at it like the crazy general in Dr Strangelove that is trying to start a world war I highly doubt that a secret in the caliber of “let’s kill the President” can be kept by so many people for such a long time. In my experience large organizations of people just don’t work that way
> large organizations I don’t think large organisations can act in such a coordinated manner at all but they can be manipulated. Cartels with a lot to lose can take their secrets to the grave, in particular if their constituents have a lot to lose. Everyone else has “unfortunate accidents”.
So, just from the top of my head and rather recently:
1. the NSA lost all of its malwares/zero days to the Russians
2. The NSA lost a huge amount of documents detailing a large amount of their billion dollars sigint sources and tech catalog
3. China was able to steal US nuclear weapons design
4. The CIA itself lost its entire internal wiki
5. Top secret documents were on discord for over a month
Yet somehow these omnipotent organizations can keep the secret of how they killed the US president. Without a good answer as to what was their interest to do something so extreme in the first place
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#60I don't know why people are so obsessed with this conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor says it was Oswald. Why invest time speculating and arguing over it when there is no way to verify anything? This new revelation doesn't change anything, it's just hearsay.
If there were three shots, Occam's Razor says it wasn't Oswald alone. For it to have been Oswald alone, he would have needed to reload and re-aim in a superhuman way. So that isn't the simplest explanation.
There are a lot of people who didn't/don't like the US, and a lot of people who like the US but didn't like Kennedy!
It is not exactly outlandish to think that maybe >1 people wanted Kennedy dead.